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Angela D'souza
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what is meaning of life if you loose interest in all things and the things you can't get it???
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Well, most of us resort to thread hijacking. Advanced lost individuals impersonate Camus absurd hero. Things are funny even after you lost any interest in them.


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Eric Perkins
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Hey, look, how can both of you say such things?
Madhav Lakkapragada
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if you loose interest in all things
Stick to the Meaningless Drivel forum for some days. Read every post here. Then automatically you will realize that you have better things to do in life and so life gets interesting and will feel better.
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Angela D'souza
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I loose all kinds of interest in my life. Though, I am expecting baby, I am not happy. I just praying god, that baby should be healthy.
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Angela
Cindy Glass
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You know - I never REALLY understood mortality until I had my first baby. When you are young you feel like you will live forever. But when you look at that little wisp of life and realize just how fragile it is, how EASY it would be for that life to stop "being" for some reason, suddenly the value of life (especially that little life) sky-rockets.
Somehow I never worried about my OWN mortality, but that of my childrens worries me constantly.
Madhav Lakkapragada
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I am not happy
Personally, I don't find many people who can say they are happy and mean that they are happy. That has nothing to do with my presence though...
Life always has its ups and downs....hangin there.
Maybe the baby will change your world, I am sure it will.
Good luck.
- satya
Jamie Robertson
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One of the best things about having a baby is the new outlook on life it gives you. Things that you once thought were important(and interesting), become less important and vice versa. Not to mention the entertainment of having one of these little darlings! I swear, some days I spend my whole day watching my kids like a television! (and many nights too! egad Coffee anyone?)
Jason Menard
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Originally posted by Angela D'souza:
I loose all kinds of interest in my life. Though, I am expecting baby, I am not happy. I just praying god, that baby should be healthy.
Thanks,
Angela

I am not a medical professional and do not claim to be one, however depression during pregnancy is not uncommon. I would urge you to seek medical advice from a doctor specializing in psychiatry, as opposed to your obstetrician (although she may have some insight as well). Depression is a common medical condition and is nothing to be ashamed of. However if there is a possibility that you may be suffering from this medical condition, it is imperative that you speak with a doctor. Depression is a very treatable condition, you just have to have the courage to seek treatment.
Remember you are not only dealing with your personal health, but the health of another as well. According to one doctor in the JAMA, "Psychopathology during pregnancy may have an important effect on the uterine environment and research is urgently needed into the consequences for the child of antenatal depression...". In other words, a mother's state of mind during pregnancy may physically influence the child's development prior to birth.
Here is some further information on depression during pregnancy:
Anonymous
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> some days I spend my whole day watching my kids like a television
Some days I spend my whole day watching television, like a kid.
Vikrama Sanjeeva
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Hi all.Here the discussion is.....what i can't participate.I have less knowledge.But keeping the subject of this topic in mind, i think LIFE is,
Learning
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Michael Ernest
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I'm not really sure what keeps me here, either. For myself, "being needed" merely dodges that question (although it can be an effective deterrent in a dark hour).
The advent of a new life, in my experience, will heighten the sense in someone who helps give life of a necessary but fleeting role in the world. As Cindy said, one's own sense of own immortality can very well die in that process. This is an OK thing; this is growth. It's also a terrible thing, losing this wonderful illusion of our permanence. I sometimes think of this as turning in our love of self for love of another; it's an education not be taken lightly.
Trust your own desire to love this new being in your life. Don't be fooled into calling the result 'pain.' You're simply feeling far more deeply than you're accustomed to; you'll learn to handle it.
Hugs help! Get some hugs.
Angela D'souza
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I am trying all the time to laugh and read the jokes, do good things and keep mind busy while working. But when I go to home, I get upset.
Angela
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Do not pay too much attention to it! What's the difference you are upset or not? There is something more important in you than your temporary emotional state. Or if it doesn't not help, try this. Sit in safe place and concentrate on how unhappy and upset you are. Think how terrible life is, and everything around - just cannot be worse. And how you hate everything, and everybody including yourself... *Make* you feel unhappy - as unhappy as you only can. I do it from time to time and usually get sick of my own unhapiness after 5 minutes.
Ashley Pratt
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when we are talking abt LIFE here the main question arises to my mind is :
we want to Live or we want to Exist?
Axel Janssen
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Originally posted by Cindy Glass:
You know - I never REALLY understood mortality until I had my first baby.

Another diference between men and women:
Men get notified about mortality when their temples turn grey. At least that was my case.
Ashik Uzzaman
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Faced many times in life indeed but recovered with the feeling that there r lot jobs to do... ...I think frnds or fiance can be helpful to rediscover the meaning of life in such cases....


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Jason Menard
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From http://www.parentsplace.com/expert/midwife/qas/0,10338,166343_114324,00.html .
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If you answer "yes" to more than two of the following questions,
you may be suffering from clinical depression:


  1. Much of the time, do you feel...

    • sad?
    • lethargic?
    • pessimistic?
    • hopeless?
    • worthless?
    • helpless?




    • Much of the time, do you...

      • have difficulty making decisions?
      • have trouble concentrating?
      • have memory problems?




      • Lately, have you...

        • lost interest in things that used to give you pleasure?
        • had problems at work or in school?
        • had problems with your family or friends?
        • isolated yourself from others, or wanted to be isolated?




        • Lately, have you...

          • felt low energy?
          • felt restless and irritable?
          • had trouble falling asleep, staying asleep or getting up in themorning?
          • lost your appetite -- or gained weight?
          • been bothered by persistent headaches, stomach aches or back aches?
          • been bothered by muscle or joint pains?




          • Lately, have you...

            • been drinking more alcohol than normal?
            • been taking more mood-altering drugs than you used to?
            • engaged in risky behavior, such as not wearing a seat belt or
            • crossing streets without looking?




            • Lately, have you been thinking about...

              • death?
              • hurting yourself?
              • your funeral?
              • killing yourself?



              • If you are uncertain about your state of mind, I would seek the
                opinion of your obstetric care provider who could direct you to
                some counselling resources in your area.


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                I am pretty shocked at some of the responses from some here, particularly by some of the "regulars" who while possibly meaning well, are actually coming off as dismissive. Advice to ignore one's mental state, or that one will eventually learn to handle it could, in certain circumstances, be more than counter-productive.
                Angela, please, if these feelings persist, talk to somebody competent. People here will be supportive and reassuring, but when it comes down to it none of us knows you are going through nor is anyone here likely able to provide you sound advice.
                I have lived with a family member who had been diagnosed with clinical depression. I had received repeated training in the military on what signs to look out for in the people who worked for/with us (it's a big problem for military people stationed overseas in particular), but unfortunately didn't apply that knowledge to my own family until much later than I should have. Had I known earlier what I was dealing with in my situation, I would have done several things differently (angrily stating "You need to see a shrink" or similar in the middle of an argument is not productive). Once diagnosed, treatment helped, but by then much damage had already occured to the family as a whole.
                It is always much better to be cautious than dismissive. So please please please speak with somebody competent, whether or not you have a medical condition, you will feel better.
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As a paranoid individual, I decided that Jason means me with his "pretty shocked at some of the responses from some here"
I, therefore, should explain.
I assumed that Angela knows too well that emotional state during pregnancy isn't something to be ignored, so she of course talked to her doctor. Any depressed person has a choice to ask for treatment or not, except for pregnant women. When she said she is expecting baby I thought about pregnancy-related depression which is an often phenomenon, so when Jason posted his well-researched message I decided the question is closed.
Rest of my posts were made with assumption that she has medical consultation.
When I said "do not pay attention", I meant do not be scared, do not think that something is wrong with you, and do not allow your depression to control you.
As a side note, this thread title somehow suggests that clinical depression may not be the case. It may as well be “existential frustration" that leads to what Victor Frankl calls "noogenic neurosis" - a spiritual problem, not medical. If "things lost sense" because you feel depressed - that can be cured (perhaps). If you feel depressed because nothing in your life makes sense - read Victor Frankl books
Michael Ernest
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JM: I am pretty shocked at some of the responses from some here, particularly by some of the "regulars" who while possibly meaning well, are actually coming off as dismissive.
ME: Jason, is there a reason you need to be an ass today? Who asked you to comment on the encouragement others are trying to offer? If you want to pass off clinical advice, go ahead, but don't play off what I said to do it.
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and I thought I am the only paranoid person here
Anyway, Mike's reaction made me read his post again and it was very rewarding. I found what I missed in first reading:
"You're simply feeling far more deeply than you're accustomed to; you'll learn to handle it."
This corresponds to my own feeling that what we started to call "depression" in this thread is something valuable, not a regrettable emotional state that has to be treated. Maybe it is our natural reaction when we see something Real and Important for the first time. In this sense to want to be "cured" is like to want to be a child again.
[ February 07, 2002: Message edited by: Mapraputa Is ]
Jason Menard
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Originally posted by Mapraputa Is:
As a paranoid individual, I decided that Jason means me with his "pretty shocked at some of the responses from some here"

Hey, I never mentioned any names. Pretty much everybody commenting on this thread is a regular here.
This is a touchy subject for me, so if my reaction seemed harsh, I apologize for not being more diplomatic. But after all, I am an "ass", a "xenophobic Christian who is easily amused", and a "selfish prick", so how much diplomacy can you really expect anyway?
Jason Menard
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Originally posted by Michael Ernest:
ME: Jason, is there a reason you need to be an ass today? Who asked you to comment on the encouragement others are trying to offer? If you want to pass off clinical advice, go ahead, but don't play off what I said to do it.

Why do you think I was referring to you? But to answer your first question, it's Thursday. For your second question, comments made in public are subject to public comment. Next time I will send you an email seeking your approval before I make a comment.
As I have stated more than once, I do not pretend to have the education or training to pass clinical advice (I mean it's not like I'm a former CPR instructor or anything). That being said, if you can't see through your hostility to grasp the underlying message I was trying to get across, not much I can do about it.
 
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