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Raghav Mathur
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I would really appreciate if you could have a look at my query . I presently hold a bachelors in English Literature ( 3 years ) beasides that i hold a diploma in 'object oriented tecniques and RDBMS'(1.5 years) plus a global certification ( Sun certified Java programmer). I,am very much interested in persuing MS in computer science from a US university and i,am not at all aware of the eligibility for that . Since i do not have a bachelors in the same field(computer science) so will that can be some sort of hinderance in my path of persuing MS .
I would really appreciate if you could help me out . I really and dedicatedly want to persue this course and get myself professionaly trained by experts .
The probelem has been that nobody has been able to give ne a standardise statement about the admission . Some universities require a bachelors and some do not ( They ask for deficiency courses if you r not from a CS background). What am i suppose to .... can anyone please help me out !
Thanks in advance
Raghav Mathur ...


Raghav.
Badriprasad Bumbabol
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HI Raghav
Most of the American Universities ask for a 4 year Bachelors Degree from International Students if they want to pursue a MS in Computer Science. Even the very few ones that dont,the competition is so strong amongst International Students, that most of the people who will apply to these will have a 4 year degree and so you will be at an disadvantage. I am not trying to Discourage you but am stating the facts since my Cousin tried exactly the same last year and in spite of excellent Under-Graduate grades wasnt given Admission.
My Suggestion for you would be to try and get Admission in one of your own Universities and try to do a Masters in CS or a MCA. Some of the MCA Courses in India(assuming u r in India) are extrememly good and I am sure u will benefit from it.
Good Luck
Tintin
Jamie Robertson
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In Canada it is a must that you have a 4 year Computer Science Degree before entering your Masters Degree program. This is a must, as you need to learn the fundamentals before researching a specific topic. By fundamentals I mean various mathematic topics, data structures, compiler theory, algorithms, efficiency theories, and usually some sort of research project on advanced computing topics. Some universities offer transfer programs in which you can get advanced standing (credits) towards certain similar subjects that you already have taken for your diploma.
I am in a similar situation, as I have my geography degree, Programmer/Analyst (3yr) diploma, and am now pursuing part time my Bsc in Computer Science. I needed only 4 full year credits on the transfer to complete the Bsc. (usually, it is more, but since I took 2 years of math before my geography, I did not have to take any of the math requirements, and my geography degree qualified for all my electives.)
You might want to try an MBA. It has less stress on the technical/science aspects and more on the business/arts aspects of the field. But, you might need an honours degree to qualify for this program?
Jamie
Raghav Mathur
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Does an undergraduate degree need to be a computer science ???
Originally posted by Tintin Herge:
HI Raghav
Most of the American Universities ask for a 4 year Bachelors Degree from International Students if they want to pursue a MS in Computer Science. Even the very few ones that dont,the competition is so strong amongst International Students, that most of the people who will apply to these will have a 4 year degree and so you will be at an disadvantage. I am not trying to Discourage you but am stating the facts since my Cousin tried exactly the same last year and in spite of excellent Under-Graduate grades wasnt given Admission.
My Suggestion for you would be to try and get Admission in one of your own Universities and try to do a Masters in CS or a MCA. Some of the MCA Courses in India(assuming u r in India) are extrememly good and I am sure u will benefit from it.
Good Luck
Tintin
Sameer Jamal
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Joined: Feb 16, 2001
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Hello Raghav
Well if u r talking about Indian Universities than it is not neccessary that u should have B.Sc in computer science to do MCA but u should have maths in graduation, but if u dont have math either than there r some univ. which provide M.Sc in computer science for non math students also
These universities are
Maharishi Dayanand University (M.Sc in Computer science eligibility graduation in any stream)
IGNNOU (MCA eligtibility graduation in any stream)
and there are also some other university like JNU which also offers MCA and eligibility is graduation in any stream but u have to take entrance test which is completely based on graduation level math and the entrance test is very hard. U can find many other universities also try to search in the web but be sure that the course is approved by UGC
I am doing M.Sc in comp science from MDU and also doing my job it is good for the people who r in the job.
best of luck
sameer
Sameer Jamal
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Hello Raghav
Well if u r talking about Indian Universities than it is not neccessary that u should have B.Sc in computer science to do MCA but u should have maths in graduation, but if u dont have math either than there r some univ. which provide M.Sc in computer science for non math students also
These universities are
Maharishi Dayanand University (M.Sc in Computer science eligibility graduation in any stream)
IGNNOU (MCA eligtibility graduation in any stream)
and there are also some other university like JNU which also offers MCA and eligibility is graduation in any stream but u have to take entrance test which is completely based on graduation level math and the entrance test is very hard. U can find many other universities also try to search in the web but be sure that the course is approved by UGC
I am doing M.Sc in comp science from MDU and also doing my job it is good for the people who r in the job.
best of luck
sameer
Sameer Jamal
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Hello Raghav
Well if u r talking about Indian Universities than it is not neccessary that u should have B.Sc in computer science to do MCA but u should have maths in graduation, but if u dont have math either than there r some univ. which provide M.Sc in computer science for non math students also
These universities are
Maharishi Dayanand University (M.Sc in Computer science eligibility graduation in any stream)
IGNNOU (MCA eligtibility graduation in any stream)
and there are also some other university like JNU which also offers MCA and eligibility is graduation in any stream but u have to take entrance test which is completely based on graduation level math and the entrance test is very hard. U can find many other universities also try to search in the web but be sure that the course is approved by UGC
I am doing M.Sc in comp science from MDU and also doing my job it is good for the people who r in the job.
best of luck
sameer
Raghav Mathur
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thanks for the reply . I,am very well aware of the eligibility for indian universities . I don;t think that doing a course from any university just because you have a job in hand helps . You need solid knowledge to compete in the market and that's what gives you confidence . IS it not .
Originally posted by Sameer Jamal:
Hello Raghav
Well if u r talking about Indian Universities than it is not neccessary that u should have B.Sc in computer science to do MCA but u should have maths in graduation, but if u dont have math either than there r some univ. which provide M.Sc in computer science for non math students also
These universities are
Maharishi Dayanand University (M.Sc in Computer science eligibility graduation in any stream)
IGNNOU (MCA eligtibility graduation in any stream)
and there are also some other university like JNU which also offers MCA and eligibility is graduation in any stream but u have to take entrance test which is completely based on graduation level math and the entrance test is very hard. U can find many other universities also try to search in the web but be sure that the course is approved by UGC
I am doing M.Sc in comp science from MDU and also doing my job it is good for the people who r in the job.
best of luck
sameer
Sameer Jamal
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Raghav you r right that one should have a solid knowledge to compete in the market, and most of the Indian universities gives only degree not knowledge, but one thing from the day I've started my career in IT no one has ever helped me, I've to learn on my own, but I also require a degree to fulfill the eligibility criteria for most of the good companies, so doing M.Sc from MDU is best option for me.
Randall Twede
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gee that sounds a lot easier than what im doing. im already a SCJP but to get a job im going to a local community college for 2 AS degrees(programming and support). of course you guys will have masters so i wont get the job. america sucks :roll:


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Raghav Mathur
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Thats the whole point sameer ..... indian universities gives you the degree not knowledge .Only the best students go to the IIT and IIM 's . Unfortunately ,i realised my interests very late when i almost became ineligible for most of the universities . It is frustrating at times.
Originally posted by Sameer Jamal:
Raghav you r right that one should have a solid knowledge to compete in the market, and most of the Indian universities gives only degree not knowledge, but one thing from the day I've started my career in IT no one has ever helped me, I've to learn on my own, but I also require a degree to fulfill the eligibility criteria for most of the good companies, so doing M.Sc from MDU is best option for me.
Malini
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Joined: Jan 18, 2002
Posts: 9
Raghav,
Not sure if i understood your query fully. Looks like you are planning to apply for a Master's program in Computer Science at a U.S. university.
First of all, for a good number of U.S universities, it is not necessary to have a Bachelor's degree in Computer Science in order to be eligible for admission into a Master's program in Computer Science. All they ask for is 16 years of "formal" education in the country you resided (or may be "a citizen of") till now.
And coming to how good the chances are to get admitted to the university, keeping in view, your academic profile till now, high GRE (and TOEFL) scores compensate a bit for the different major (English Litt.) during your undergraduation.
Not trying to discourage you, but in order to improve your chances to get admitted, you might want to avoid applying for (highly) ranked universities. And another option to improve your chances for admission would be to apply for a Master's in Information Sciences (MIS) at a university which offers a Master's degree in Computer Science too. Once you enter the university through MIS, you can try shifting to C.S. by reapplying. This is no way of cheating or anything. The advantage in this option is that you will have a chance to prove your skills/potential to that university, by earning good GPA (Grade Point Average, analogous to Academic percentage in India) in MIS, thereby making your shift to C.S more easier. And since MIS is a good program in itself, in the worst case of you failing to make a shift to C.S, you still will have a career of your interest and choice. The above way works, most of the times, since admission to MIS is lot easier than to C.S at quite a good universities.
Hmmm...went through part of what you are going right now. Good Luck!
Raghav Mathur
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You’ve understood the situation pretty well . That is a very god option which you’ve just given ( Shifting from MIS to MS) . I guess for MIS I’ll be asked to show 16 years of education to the university I apply for …. Is it ?
Secondly when you say that for an MS a BS is not required by most of the universities ( just 16 years of education), then why do you feel that applying for high rank universities will be a prob . …. Just curious . If I complete 16 years of education in my country ( probably I have to take one year of MA in english + GRE) then am I eligible for a US university and then can I take up MS without prob ? . please tell me so that I apply for an MA in english , cos the application forms are going to be out soon .
Regards
Raghav mathur
Originally posted by Malini:
Raghav,
Not sure if i understood your query fully. Looks like you are planning to apply for a Master's program in Computer Science at a U.S. university.
First of all, for a good number of U.S universities, it is not necessary to have a Bachelor's degree in Computer Science in order to be eligible for admission into a Master's program in Computer Science. All they ask for is 16 years of "formal" education in the country you resided (or may be "a citizen of") till now.
And coming to how good the chances are to get admitted to the university, keeping in view, your academic profile till now, high GRE (and TOEFL) scores compensate a bit for the different major (English Litt.) during your undergraduation.
Not trying to discourage you, but in order to improve your chances to get admitted, you might want to avoid applying for (highly) ranked universities. And another option to improve your chances for admission would be to apply for a Master's in Information Sciences (MIS) at a university which offers a Master's degree in Computer Science too. Once you enter the university through MIS, you can try shifting to C.S. by reapplying. This is no way of cheating or anything. The advantage in this option is that you will have a chance to prove your skills/potential to that university, by earning good GPA (Grade Point Average, analogous to Academic percentage in India) in MIS, thereby making your shift to C.S more easier. And since MIS is a good program in itself, in the worst case of you failing to make a shift to C.S, you still will have a career of your interest and choice. The above way works, most of the times, since admission to MIS is lot easier than to C.S at quite a good universities.
Hmmm...went through part of what you are going right now. Good Luck!
R K Singh
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Joined: Oct 15, 2001
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Originally posted by Sameer Jamal:
universities gives only degree not knowledge

oops problem is solved ....
AW no one can give you knowledge if you do not want to have it.
It is you , who acquire knowledge. No one gives you(they can help, thats all). You have to eat your food by your own hand, meal can be provided by anyone.
Raghav Mathur
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I partially agree as to what you have to say .The prob is not yet solved ravish . Till how far can you go on your own . At some point or the other you need to be guided . IN my case i need tobe guided cos i've never studied the theoritical concepts involed in CS , rather I haven’t studied CS . It involves support from you faculty also which unfortunately is hard to find.
Originally posted by Ravish Kumar:

oops problem is solved ....
AW no one can give you knowledge if you do not want to have it.
It is you , who acquire knowledge. No one gives you(they can help, thats all). You have to eat your food by your own hand, meal can be provided by anyone.
Malini
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Joined: Jan 18, 2002
Posts: 9
Raghav,
1) Why I asked you to avoid applying to highly-ranked universities..
By ranked univs, i meant the top 15 or 20. These univs generally consider very strong background in the area in which you want to pursue your Master's, prior to admission into the program. The strong background can either be gained as part of your academic course work (and followed by excellent grades) or by solid work experience in the field. For ex., I myself was a Chemical Engineer in India, got a V+Q of 1290 in GRE, but out of the 4 univs (not ranked ones) I had applied, I got admission into only 2 of them, for C.S.
2) I am not sure if you did your 1.5 yr. diploma course in parallel with your Bachelor's. If that is the case, then you have no other option other than to wait for 1 more year to finish your 16th year of "formal" education. But in the case you did the diploma after (or before, tho' less likely) after your Bachelor's then the diploma may count towards the 16th year of "formal" education, just in case you were unaware of it.
3)And now that you know you are gonna see yourself in the Computer Science track for the rest of your life, probably you might want to consider doing something in that area as the 16th year of education. Something like a diploma course (make a final check with the university requirements, if a diploma counts) in some programming languages/application development packages might help you in orienting yourself to the new discipline.
Raghav Mathur
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I understand what you say . I don't think my diploma will be counted towards my 16th year of education as i've already spoke to many universities about that . Secondly i did it parallel to my undergraduate degree . As far as exp goes i have just 6 months of exp in the field.I think i probably have to wait till my 16 years of education is complete .
thanks a ton
regards
raghav mathur
Originally posted by Malini:
Raghav,
1) Why I asked you to avoid applying to highly-ranked universities..
By ranked univs, i meant the top 15 or 20. These univs generally consider very strong background in the area in which you want to pursue your Master's, prior to admission into the program. The strong background can either be gained as part of your academic course work (and followed by excellent grades) or by solid work experience in the field. For ex., I myself was a Chemical Engineer in India, got a V+Q of 1290 in GRE, but out of the 4 univs (not ranked ones) I had applied, I got admission into only 2 of them, for C.S.
2) I am not sure if you did your 1.5 yr. diploma course in parallel with your Bachelor's. If that is the case, then you have no other option other than to wait for 1 more year to finish your 16th year of "formal" education. But in the case you did the diploma after (or before, tho' less likely) after your Bachelor's then the diploma may count towards the 16th year of "formal" education, just in case you were unaware of it.
3)And now that you know you are gonna see yourself in the Computer Science track for the rest of your life, probably you might want to consider doing something in that area as the 16th year of education. Something like a diploma course (make a final check with the university requirements, if a diploma counts) in some programming languages/application development packages might help you in orienting yourself to the new discipline.
Anonymous
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Tell me if I've B.Sc and 2 year Post graduate diploma in Information Technology not approved by univ or AICTE then it will still count in 16 years of formal education
Malini
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Sameer,
If i am right, that was a question!
As such, I am not sure with the exact regulations of the universities in this respect. I mean, as which count towards formal education. But as far as my knowledge goes, a P.G diploma does count. Not sure if it must be approved by a particular board.

Originally posted by <Sameer Jamal>:
Tell me if I've B.Sc and 2 year Post graduate diploma in Information Technology not approved by univ or AICTE then it will still count in 16 years of formal education
Raghav Mathur
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Depends on the university you apply for . Some might take it into consideration and others might not . Diploma's are generally rejected as far as i've explored .
Originally posted by <Sameer Jamal>:
Tell me if I've B.Sc and 2 year Post graduate diploma in Information Technology not approved by univ or AICTE then it will still count in 16 years of formal education
 
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