How many Java programmers in India?

Shura

Ok, with all due respect to my Indian colleagues....
How many Indian Java programmers it takes to install a light bulb?

Shura

Ok, behave now... What I was trying to say, without starting a racial battle, was this: it seems that there are more Java programmers from India than from any other place (and I want to add "combined" here, but will suppress the urge) :roll:
Shura

A conservative estimate, I think is that there are more java programmers in India than the entire population of any european country like UK,Germany or Switzerland.

Doubt it highly. There are 80 million people in Germany. It is a matter of perception, I guess, especially if all one's colleagues are Java programmers

I would also pass a law in Switzerland to cut fingers to those Swiss nauty enough to dedicate their lives to programming. It is, after all, such a beautiful country!

Shura
[ June 07, 2002: Message edited by: Shura Balaganov ]

I am one of those unlucky guy.

To put India's population in perspective, one city (Mumbai) in western India has almost twice the population of the whole of Germany.

Yeah, that's scary. But if you perceive that every 15th person in the country is Java Programmer (80 Mil x 15=1.2 Billion), then either a) you are highly mistaken, OR b) India's economy should crash violently any time soon because of the amount of non-producing workers (programmers don't affect GDP, don't produce goods and are basically "parasites" on producing industries)
Shura

Originally posted by Shashank Tanksali:
To put India's population in perspective, one city (Mumbai) in western India has almost twice the population of the whole of Germany.

I guess I am ingorant. Here's a link that shows Mumbai to be 10 mil., some other projections I've seen were 12 mil. This is only 1/7th of Germany. Now, if you are talking about "greater area", that's different story, for instance Greater New York area houses close to 15 million....
Oh, yeah, I forgot again, this is Meaningless Drivel

Shura

Yup, you are right !!!
I got my numbers wrong. It must have been 16 million that I saw somewhere and not 160 million.
-Shashank

Originally posted by Shura Balaganov:

How many Indian Java programmers it takes to install a light bulb?
Shura

- None, my friend. Thats a hardware problem.

Originally posted by Shura Balaganov:
it seems that there are more Java programmers from India than from any other place :roll:
Shura

Coz we are the best

OR we can work for any amount

OR we dont any other job

OR ....... now you tell me ..
but I am thinking why you are worry abt indian programmers. You are not american as they are facing lot of indians in there day to day life ... from using fork to working on less payment.

what made you to think abt indian JAVA programmer ?
can i hijack your thread

Indian programmers are better than 90% of the other programmmers and they are content with pays which is less than what 90% other programmers get in US.
My $0.02

So we now have a 90:10 rule ... like the well known 80:20 rule

Originally posted by Shubhrajit Chatterjee:
Indian programmers are better than 90% of the other programmmers and they are content with pays which is less than what 90% other programmers get in US.
My $0.02

I must have missed that study. Do you have a reference?

Originally posted by Jason Menard:
I must have missed that study. Do you have a reference?

There is living proof.. me

Originally posted by Jason Menard:
I must have missed that study. Do you have a reference?

There is living proof.. me

no offends .. just for TP

Originally posted by Shubhrajit Chatterjee:
Indian programmers are better than 90% of the other programmmers and they are content with pays which is less than what 90% other programmers get in US.
My $0.02

Shubhr..Shurbr...jit...can you get a better name? Here's a link:
http://icpc.baylor.edu/icpc/
ACM World Programming Championships between colleges.
2002
1 Shanghai JiaoTong University (China)
2 Massachusetts Institute of Technology (USA)
3 University of Waterloo (Canada???)
4 Tsinghua University (China)
5 Stanford University (USA)
6 Saratov State University (Russia)
7 Fudan University (China???)
8 Duke University (USA)
9 Moscow State University (Russia)
10 Universidad de Buenos Aires (Argentina)
11 Charles University Prague (Czech Rep.)
11 Royal Institute of Technology (Sweden)
11 Seoul National University (Korea)
11 St Petersburg Institute of Fine Mechanics and Optics (Russia)
11 University of New South Wales (Australia)
11 University of Wisconsin - Madison (USA)
11 Warsaw University (Poland)
18 Albert Einstein University Ulm (Germany???)
18 Belarusian State University (Belarus - MY ALMA MATER!)
18 Novosibirsk State University (Russia)
18 Petrozavodsk State University (Russia)
18 POLITEHNICA University of Bucharest (Romania)
18 Sharif University of Technology (Iran)
18 The University of Tokyo (Japan)
18 University of Oldenburg (Germany???)
18 University of Toronto (Canada)
27 California Institute of Technology (USA)
27 Cornell University (USA)
27 Orel State Technical University (Russia)
27 Queen's University (Canada)
27 Sofia University (Bulgaria)
27 The Chinese University of Hong Kong (Hong Kong)
27 The University of Chicago (USA)
27 University of Calgary (Canada)
27 University of California, San Diego (USA)
27 University of Central Florida (USA)
27 University of Otago (New Zeland)
27 University of Texas at Austin (USA)
27 University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg (Australia)
27 Virginia Tech (USA)

Just to be fair, lets recast previous winners
2001
1. St. Petersburg State University (Russia)
2 Virginia Tech (USA)
3 St. Petersburg Institute of Fine Mechanics and Optics (Russia)
2000
1. St. Petersburg State University (Russia)
2. The University of Melbourne (Australia)
3. The University of Waterloo (Canada???)
1999
1. Albert-Ludwigs University, Freiburg (Germany)
2. The University of Waterloo (Canada???)
3. St. Petersburg Institute of Fine Mechanics and Optics (Russia)

So, I don't see any Indian schools here...I think you are full of it, my friend.
Shura
[ June 12, 2002: Message edited by: Shura Balaganov ]

I am taking it to the next level. I think Indian programming spree is a fraud. I think it looks like there are so many Indian programmers because there are more then Billion of you!
No personal offense to anyone, I've worked with a pretty darn smart Indians myself.
Shura
[ June 12, 2002: Message edited by: Shura Balaganov ]

Originally posted by Shura Balaganov:

Shubhr..Shurbr...jit...can you get a better name? Here's a link:
http://icpc.baylor.edu/icpc/
ACM World Programming Championships between colleges.
So, I don't see any Indian schools here...I think you are full of it, my friend.
Shura
[ June 12, 2002: Message edited by: Shura Balaganov ]

My friend, the funda here is that, these schools have INDIAN programmers that participate, on behalf of the schools..
We Indians take *pride* in brain drain.. so there are no Indian schools on the list..
Sad to say.. it is ture that Indians dream of becoming Yankees( no offense guys!! )
Lupo

Originally posted by Shura Balaganov:
No personal offense to anyone, I've worked with a pretty darn smart Indians myself.
Shura
[ June 12, 2002: Message edited by: Shura Balaganov ]

- no worries maite!!
Lupo

OK, fine. Even assuming that all Indians want to become Yankies, there are 11 US schools on the list; we can go through the lists of participants, I am certain there will be less than 50% Indians there (since I don't have the numbers, I am operating "reasonable" terminology here). There are some 7 Russian teams (including Belarus, wich is essentially the same), I CAN guarantee there is 0 Indians there. So there are DEFINITELY MORE RUSSIANS in there than Indians. Besides, russians won quite a few times.
Now where is your 90%?
Shura

Grrrrrr....Woof-woof!!!

http://www.dogsncats.asn.au/brochure/barking/bark3.htm

Originally posted by Shura Balaganov:
OK, fine. Even assuming that all Indians want to become Yankies, there are 11 US schools on the list; we can go through the lists of participants, I am certain there will be less than 50% Indians there (since I don't have the numbers, I am operating "reasonable" terminology here). There are some 7 Russian teams (including Belarus, wich is essentially the same), I CAN guarantee there is 0 Indians there. So there are DEFINITELY MORE RUSSIANS in there than Indians. Besides, russians won quite a few times.
Now where is your 90%?
Shura

- Well what can I say.. I have always regarded Russians and Chinese to be very good @ programming.

I imagine that of the US schools included the _vast_ majority of participants will most likely be US citizens.
Anyway, how many indians can afford the exorbitant US fees for education given the state of the economy in their local country ? The Indian programmers that I work with all studied in Indian Universities.
[ June 12, 2002: Message edited by: George Brown ]

Originally posted by gautham kasinath:

My friend, the funda here is that, these schools have INDIAN programmers that participate, on behalf of the schools..
We Indians take *pride* in brain drain.. so there are no Indian schools on the list..
Sad to say.. it is ture that Indians dream of becoming Yankees( no offense guys!! )
Lupo

Not to burst your bubble or anything... Here is the 2002 team from MIT, who came in 3rd. The team from Stamford came in 5th. Here's a look at the team from Duke who came in 8th. University of Wisconson - Madison finished 12th. Some others: California Institute of Technology (27th), Cornell (27th), University of Chicago (27th.. Geek girls are cool), University of Chicago, San Diego (27th), University of Florida (27th), University of Texas - Austin (27th), Virginia Tech (27th).
I think those are all the ranked teams from US schools. To save you some time, and I'm only saying this to shatter any illusions some may have, out of all of those, two MIGHT have been Indic, but that says nothing of their actual nationality (probably American). Out of the rest, maybe 20%-25% appeared to be of Asian descent (just as likely as not, Americans), and the rest appeared to be Caucasians (again, most likely Americans).
Of course the race of these individuals has nothing to do with the price of tea in China. I only highlight it to counter the insinuation that one group of people as a whole is better than some other group of people based on their race.
[ June 12, 2002: Message edited by: Jason Menard ]

sorry maite!! I guess I was mislead.
And ofcourse, I think it is best not to try to decide which race is the best..
so I give up..
Regds
Lupo
Again.. please understand, everybody, no offense intended.

Russians and Indians are brothers forever

Shura
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[ June 12, 2002: Message edited by: Shura Balaganov ]

I really dunno what to say..
BTW I tot the topic of this list was "How many java programmers in India" and we are discussing something too damn way off...
shall we get back to the topic??!!!
I start the count 1.. and you guys just follow it on..
Regds
Lupo

Hey ... I said this just for fun

People really did a lot of research :roll: :roll: :roll: to prove me wrong. Anyway ... the pay part is definityly true.

Originally posted by Shubhrajit Chatterjee:
Indian programmers are better than 90% of the other programmmers and they are content with pays which is less than what 90% other programmers get in US.
My $0.02

no worries.

There are some 7 Russian teams (including Belarus, wich is essentially the same)
Isn't that like saying "there are x number of American teams (including Canada, which is essentially the same)"?

j/k

Yeah, I knew this will come up...

The reason I say "essentially" beause, although they are officially 2 different states now, their economies are tied up closer than, say, New York and New Jersey. Arbitrarily, one can only find one difference betwen the two pairs: separate currency.
Just watch it, these 2 will be back together again. Just like Map and Michael

I know this is not the best logical explanation I've come up with recently

Shura
[ June 13, 2002: Message edited by: Shura Balaganov ]

How many Jewish Indians out there?

Shura

Originally posted by Ravish Kumar:

There is living proof.. me
no offends .. just for TP

My goodness.. so many people to prove that I am not living example of Indian greatness

I hate(not writing dont like) such topics... but you guys plz continue....

Originally posted by Shura Balaganov:
How many Jewish Indians out there?
Shura

Well, there are
Jews in India. I knew some families from Cochin, South of India.
Err.. Or did I miss a point here?

Originally posted by Shura Balaganov:
How many Jewish Indians out there?
Shura

Where in India or in the whole world ?

Both, I guess. See, Jews are very smart, and Indians are great programmers. So I was thinking, if there are Jewish Indian programmers out there, they just must be the Gods of IT. :roll:

Shura

Originally posted by Shura Balaganov:
Both, I guess. See, Jews are very smart, and Indians are great programmers. So I was thinking, if there are Jewish Indian programmers out there, they just must be the Gods of IT. :roll:
Shura

I dont think you can bet on an generalization like that though Shura..
I gather, logically, that there cud be some really dumb Jews to .. and Indians who dont know what the heck is programming, but still use the word to describe thier profession..
So I guess yer generalization is no longer general..
Wudnt you agree maite??!!
Lupo