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Java 2 v5.0 (Tiger) New Features : Reader question

Alvin chew
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hi, mr.Herbert Schildt, is this book belongs to novice, or advance level reader ?
Alvin chew
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i can't find out the table of contents of this book in McGraw-Hill website !! can i know where should i refer it ? thank you !
Nicholas Cheung
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According to Lasse's review from amazon, I believe that it is a book for beginner as well as the intermediate develoeprs.

You can find his review here:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0072258543/qid=1093327671/sr=ka-2/ref=pd_ka_2/103-1338776-1790247

Nick


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Ko Ko Naing
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The following is some words from Lasse's review from the Book review forum...

If you already know Java and want to utilize the impressive array of innovations contained in Java 2, v5.0, this book is for you." That's actually from the back cover of the book and I have to say I fully agree. Schildt has brought us many useful titles and "Java 2, v5.0 (Tiger) New Features" is no exception.


So I hope it might help you to get an idea about the prerequisite level to read the book... I might vote it as intermediate level anyway...


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Nicholas Cheung
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If the readers dont know Java, then, discussing about the new features in J5SE will be meaningless because they dont know what Java is, which means there are NO new featrues at all.

Nick
Alvin chew
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thank you for answering, i quite confuse on java edition now, i suppose it come out with java 1.5 rather than 5.0, is there any reasons for it ?
Ko Ko Naing
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Originally posted by Alvin chew:
i can't find out the table of contents of this book in McGraw-Hill website !! can i know where should i refer it ? thank you !


It seems like McGraw-Hill's book official home page got some problem...

You can view the TOC here

Hope it helps...
Ko Ko Naing
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Originally posted by Alvin chew:
thank you for answering, i quite confuse on java edition now, i suppose it come out with java 1.5 rather than 5.0, is there any reasons for it ?


At the beginning of the Java 1.5 development, it was named as it was as version 1.5... But later the development team found out that the difference or gap between version 1.4 and 1.5 is so big that the team changed the new version to be Java 5.0...
Ko Ko Naing
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Originally posted by Nicholas Cheung:
If the readers dont know Java, then, discussing about the new features in J5SE will be meaningless because they dont know what Java is, which means there are NO new featrues at all.

Nick


Well, Nick, you are trying to apply logic-related reason to this... If the reader don't know Java, there might be some problems in understanding the topics in the book, because I think the author tries to compare the old stuff and the new stuff in the book... Sort of learning new things based on old things... How do u think about it, Nick?
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i quite confuse on java edition now, i suppose it come out with java 1.5 rather than 5.0, is there any reasons for it ?

It is just the naming convention.

Have you ever asking yourself why JDK 1.2 is renamed as Java2, but not JDK 2.0?

That's the same case, SUN will use J2SE v5.0 as the naming for v1.5. Maybe it will further change to J5SE.

Nick
Nicholas Cheung
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I think the author tries to compare the old stuff and the new stuff in the book... Sort of learning new things based on old things... How do u think about it, Nick?

Definitely. I have read several books, such as Oracle10g New features, DB2 v8 New features, etc, nearly all books titled *new feature* assume that the readers know the previous version of the product.

Nick
Pradeep bhatt
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Since the book is about new features the reader must have a knowledge of java and its previous version (java 1.4 etc).


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Ko Ko Naing
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Originally posted by Nicholas Cheung:

Definitely. I have read several books, such as Oracle10g New features, DB2 v8 New features, etc, nearly all books titled *new feature* assume that the readers know the previous version of the product.

Nick


Then the novice will have to face a bit difficulty in understanding the old stuff before Java 5.0.... That's why I voted it as an intermediate level book...
Alvin chew
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i read the article, which claim java1.5 is faster than ever...
Nicholas Cheung
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It still depends.

If the author aims to explain a bit background info, the beginner may find it a bit easier to understand.

Still, maybe we need to read some sample chapters to see how in depth it discuss the new features.

Nick
Alvin chew
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when is java 5.0 stable version out ?
Alvin chew
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as java 1.5 stable version not out yet, would this book be obsolute soon as further features will add in ?
Ko Ko Naing
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Originally posted by Alvin chew:
as java 1.5 stable version not out yet, would this book be obsolute soon as further features will add in ?

That's what I asked in this thread of the Book Reviews Forum... But Lasse had no idea as well..
when is java 5.0 stable version out ?

Better email to Sun and ask about it...
Alvin chew
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mr.Herbert Schildt, your book focus on practical or just theory?
Nicholas Cheung
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when is java 5.0 stable version out ?

Expected to be released at Oct 2004.

Nick
Nicholas Cheung
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as java 1.5 stable version not out yet, would this book be obsolute soon as further features will add in ?

The possibility is there, but I guess it is relatively low unless SUN found a big problem in certain features.

As now is already Beta 2, which means this is the last beta version before the offical release, and thus, most, if not all, features should be finalized.

Nick
Nicholas Cheung
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mr.Herbert Schildt, your book focus on practical or just theory?

Based on the review, seems that the book focus more on practical, together with the theory behind.

Nick
Alvin chew
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mr.Herbert Schildt, can you briefly explain what will cover on generic and metadata on your book, is generic important ? what is it about ? what new in metadata ? thank you !
Alvin chew
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mr.Herbert Schildt, is there any improvement in java 5.0 swing ?
Jim Yingst
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mr.Herbert Schildt, is there any improvement in java 5.0 swing ?

Sun lists the new features of Tiger here. Based on this, the answer seems to be effectively "no".
[ August 24, 2004: Message edited by: Jim Yingst ]

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Originally posted by Jim Yingst:
mr.Herbert Schildt, is there any improvement in java 5.0 swing ?

Sun lists the new features of Tiger here. Based on this, the answer seems to be effectively "no".

[ August 24, 2004: Message edited by: Jim Yingst ]


I wouldn't go so far as to say a definate no although I am sure you know more about it than I do. I have not been able to test or find any definate proof of performance gain, but I do know that Java 5 can use the OpenGL pipeline now for rendering of the Graphics2D API. So that should improve the performance of rendering graphics, ergo, Swing would be improved performance wise because it uses the Graphics2D API for aid in rendering all the Widgets.


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Herb Schildt
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Alvin (and all):

Sorry I didn't get to this post earlier.

My book assumes a basic understanding of pre-5.0 Java. It doesn't require that one be an expert, but you should have a good working knowledge of the language.

Because my book doesn't rehash the fundamentals, it is able to focus exclusively on the new features. Of course, the ways in which these new features relate to the existing language is fully described.

BTW: I am also revising my book "Java 2: The Complete Reference" for the 5.0 release. It will cover the existing features plus the new features.


For my latest books on Java, including my Java Programming Cookbook, see HerbSchildt.com
Alvin chew
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hi,Herb Schildt, for the new features of metadata, can you briefly mention it here ?
Jim Yingst
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Alvin - he has. See the last (Aug 24) post here.
Alvin chew
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thanks , jim
 
I agree. Here's the link: http://aspose.com/file-tools
 
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