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Shura Balaganov
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There's so much anger in the world...
Can we just all get along?
Blacks, or, being politically correct, African-Americans, have a great line for this.
Peace, Brother
Shura


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Shubhrajit Chatterjee
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Peace on earth


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Anthony Villanueva
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amen to that!
Michael Ernest
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Getting along all the time is about as interesting as fighting all the time.
[ August 05, 2002: Message edited by: Michael Ernest ]

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Anonymous
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Getting along all the time is about as interesting as fighting all the time.}
Yeah. Let the fur fly.
Rob Ross
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It's nice on paper, but I think as a species we will have a hard time overcoming this problem. We are communal creatures by nature, like wolves. We like to "belong" to a pack, and we will defend our pack members with ferrocity, even to the point of dying to protect it.
Everyone's pack is defined by their own experiences, their cultural associations, their belief system, where they were born, luck, and an probably infinate number of other things.
This is hard-wired into our genetic code. As long as we are humans, there will be conflict. That's why I hope one day that ferns take over the world.
Yes, you heard me right, I'm talking ferns. They're green, they're fluffy, and they don't try to shoot anyone.


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Anthony Villanueva
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:strums guitar sadly:
Father, father
We don't need to escalate
You see, war is not the answer
For only love can conquer hate
You know we've got to find a way
To bring some lovin' here today...
Anthony Goshaunee
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As long as we are sharing peacefull lyrics and whatnot...
"There was a decorated general with a heart of gold,
That likened him to all the stories he told
Of past battles won and lost and legends of old, a seasoned veteran in his own time
On the battlefield he gained respect for fame
With many medals of bravery and stripes to his name
He grew a beard as soon as he could to cover the scars on his face
And always urged his men on
But on the eve of a great battle with the infantry in dream
The old general tossed in his sleep and wrestled with its meaning
He awoke from that night to tell what he had seen
And walked slowly out of his tent
All the men held tall with their chests in the air
With a courage in their blood and a fire in the stare
And it was a gray morning and they all wondered how they would fair
Until the old general told them to go home
He said,
I have seen the others and I have discovered that this fight is not worth fighting
And I've seen their mothers and I will no other to follow me where I�m going
So take a shower and shine your shoes
You�ve got no time to lose
You are young men you must be living
Take a shower and shine your shoes
You�ve got no time to lose
You are young men you must be living
Go now you are forgiven
But the men stood fast with their guns on their shoulders
Not knowing what to do with the contradicting orders
The general said he would do his own duty but he would extend it no further
The men could go as they pleased
But not a man moved, their eyes gazed straight ahead
Till one by one they stepped back
And not a word was said
The old general with left with his own words echoing in his head
He then prepared to fight
He said
I have seen the others and I have discovered that this fight is not worth fighting
And I've seen their mothers and I will no other to follow me where I�m going
So take a shower and shine your shoes
You�ve got no time to lose
You are young men you must be living
Take a shower and shine your shoes
You�ve got no time to lose
You are young men you must be living
Go now you are forgiven
Go now you are forgiven
Go now you are forgiven
Go now you are forgiven, go
Go now you are forgiven
Go now you are forgiven
Go now you are forgiven, oh
Go now you are forgiven
Go now you are forgiven
Go now you got to be got to be got to behave"
Band: Dispatch
Song: The General
Such a great song. Such a great message.
Cindy Glass
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I agree with Rob. It is inbred in the species.
Unfortunately anger has become inbred in humans because it is a survival mechanism. It it gives him that surge of energy required to protect himself against whatever is making him mad, or encroaching on his territory or his "pack".
Just talking about peace and loving each other is basically naive. If you REALLY want to do something about it, develop a plan to broaden mankinds self definition of who belongs to his "pack".
For instance - ONE little invasion of aliens from outer space would go along way towards making most of us believe that all humans should join together as "brothers" to fight for the common good .


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Rob Ross
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Absolutely. We don't even need aliens though, I think the recent media attention to NEO asteriods could serve this purpose.
In fact, I think if we focus the attention of the whole world to the dangers of an asteroid impact and what it could do to us, and come together to create some global protection mechanism, it would go a long way towards uniting all of us.
I remember just recently my own personal experience after 9/11...walking down city streets, I felt like hugging everyone I saw, and thought "I am an American, and this person is an AMERICAN too. Lets go kick some ass."
It would be cool if we could all think "this person is a HUMAN. Lets all go kick some asteroid ass."
Anthony Goshaunee
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Originally posted by Cindy Glass:

For instance - ONE little invasion of aliens from outer space would go along way towards making most of us believe that all humans should join together as "brothers" to fight for the common good .

Did you by any chance see the movie Signs recently?
Jim Yingst
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If you haven't already, see The Architects of Fear (and for that matter, Watchmen).
[ August 06, 2002: Message edited by: Jim Yingst ]

"I'm not back." - Bill Harding, Twister
Michael Morris
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I agree with Rob on our communal instinct but not on his 9/11 memory. I had a final meeting with a software company in Dallas to run their software department on 9/11/2001. Their biggest customer was the City of New York. Most of their secondary customers were airports. Needless to say the meeting was postponed for another day, but to no avail: too much damage was done so they could no longer afford to hire me.
My personal feeling on the matter is that we are better off as humans as many tribes than with a single mind. When everyone agrees there is complacency. Individual and tribal competition will in the long run benefit all of humanity though there will inevitably be casualties along the way. Nature is exactly that way. Why, being part of nature, should we expect anything different for ourselves?
Michael Morris


Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius - and a lot of courage - to move in the opposite direction. - Ernst F. Schumacher
Anonymous
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I remember just recently my own personal experience after 9/11...walking down city streets, I felt like hugging everyone I saw, and thought "I am an American, and this person is an AMERICAN too. Lets go kick some ass."
}
You can unite a billion people by just mentioning Pakistan. LOL
Michael Ernest
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or Microsoft
Anthony Villanueva
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Originally posted by Cindy Glass:
I agree with Rob. It is inbred in the species.
Unfortunately anger has become inbred in humans because it is a survival mechanism. It it gives him that surge of energy required to protect himself against whatever is making him mad, or encroaching on his territory or his "pack".
Just talking about peace and loving each other is basically naive. If you REALLY want to do something about it, develop a plan to broaden mankinds self definition of who belongs to his "pack".

True enough. But isn't it the case the men are more easily persuaded to action by imagery, sentiment and rhetoric, instead of cold logic?
Anonymous
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::thinking::
The thread is going to get ugly , some one will close the topic and delete all anonymous posts , why bother whining about peace ?
( No pun intended , sarcasm yes )
Michael Morris
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Originally posted by Anthony Villanueva:
True enough. But isn't it the case the men are more easily persuaded to action by imagery, sentiment and rhetoric, instead of cold logic?

Considering the fact that the vast majority reveres emotion over reason, you are exactly right. True peace for mankind is an unatainable goal. We can only strive for peace on an individual level and hope that the majority consider that to be a worthy endeavor.
Michael Morris
Anonymous
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Originally posted by Cindy Glass:

Unfortunately anger has become inbred in humans because it is a survival mechanism. It it gives him that surge of energy required to protect himself against whatever is making him mad, or encroaching on his territory or his "pack".

Cindy, by referring to males you are singling out 50% of the humans!
Cindy Glass
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Well, actually, in the English Language, when you are refering to both Males and Females, it is the accepted protocol to use the "He" and "Him" pronouns.
But - now that you mention it - it has been my experience that anger is MUCH more prvailant in the Male half of the species, soooooo
Michael Morris
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Cindy's right. Maybe we need a set of neutral pronouns like the Latin languages have.
Jason Menard
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Originally posted by Michael Morris:
Cindy's right. Maybe we need a set of neutral pronouns like the Latin languages have.

We do. The pronoun one. As in:
it gives one that surge of energy required to protect oneself against whatever is making one mad, or encroaching on one's territory or one's "pack".
It's clumsy and all, so I suspect the reason for not using it so much is collective laziness or something. Or maybe one just finds it annoying?
Rob Ross
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Reminds me of a recent commercial I saw on cable....

"One wants one's BBC..."
Anonymous
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"It may be long before the law of love will be recognised in international affairs. The machineries of government stand between and hide the hearts of one people from those of another" - By ???
Anthony Goshaunee
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Originally posted by <wise_man_once_said>:
"It may be long before the law of love will be recognised in international affairs. The machineries of government stand between and hide the hearts of one people from those of another" - By ???

I have no idea, but I like it. Sounds nice

Who said it?
Jim Yingst
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Ghandi.
Anonymous
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I dont know why most Westerners spell his name as Ghandi.I guess it is because they pronounce it that way.
It is actually G-A-N-D-H-I.
Jim Yingst
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I guess it is because they pronounce it that way.
Sort of. From a western English-speaking perspective, the h has no apparent function at all in that name. So what would the difference be between "Ghandi" and "Gandhi", as far as pronunciation?
In any event, it's obvious to me when I look at the two spellings that "Gandhi" is the familiar one; I just wrote too quickly without thinking. Oh well...
Varun Khanna
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Originally posted by Shura Balaganov:
There's so much anger in the world...

Grrrrrrrrrrr.... how dare u said that? I m the cooolest.....


- Varun
Shura Balaganov
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Cool, man.
I'd suggest offended people get outside and run a few laps around office building (if you still can), then come back and rethink your posts. Will do everyone a lot of good, including your own body.
Shura
Stu Glassman
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I'd say that the asteroid idea would work except for the fact that it's pretty far off. What we really need is an immediate cause for mass hysteria (without the mass hysteria, of course). Perhaps faking aliens, or "discovering" a new killer disease. Or perhaps a rebirth of Y2K. Global warming maybe.
Or, maybe we could just single out one person, blame all of the worlds misery on him/her, and concentrate on making his/her life as dismal as possible. I'll be taking nominations later this week.
-Stu
Anonymous
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Originally posted by Stu Glassman:

Or, maybe we could just single out one person, blame all of the worlds misery on him/her, and concentrate on making his/her life as dismal as possible. I'll be taking nominations later this week.
-Stu

I luv it ! me likes to nominate : Tina
Shura Balaganov
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Originally posted by Stu Glassman:
I'd say that the asteroid idea would work except for the fact that it's pretty far off. What we really need is an immediate cause for mass hysteria (without the mass hysteria, of course). Perhaps faking aliens, or "discovering" a new killer disease. Or perhaps a rebirth of Y2K. Global warming maybe.

You've been watching TV lately? Someone up there (Fox, CNN, MSNBC board, Hollywood) have been toying with this idea for years! It does help scare people, but doesn't unite them. It rather makes them sit at home and buy more stuff they don't need. :roll:
Shura
Stu Glassman
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"It rather makes them sit at home and buy more stuff they don't need." - Shura
Better buying stuff that they don't need then killing people . Not to mention, it helps the economy.
-Stu
Stu Glassman
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You're quite correct Shura, in order to unite everyone, we would need to involve them in the process of beating back whatever disaster befalled us. For example, the U.S. brought WWII closer to home by encouraging everyone to give a little for the cause. Working out in the yard planting war gardens with your neighbors probably made you feel closer to all of the other allied countries.
-stu
 
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