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Being that GWB only has two years left and his friends in the vicinity are not publicly behind him in his goal of regime change in Iraq, is it time for thinking outside the box?
In view of the doctrine that your with us or against us, does a blitzkrieg attack on Syria in conjunction with a massive frontal assualt from the gulf solve logistics problems? Or does it start more political problems than it's worth?
What's your opinion?
 
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... his friends in the vicinity are not publicly behind him in his goal of regime change in Iraq


The two-faced despotic regimes in the region say they are against regime change to maintain control over the people they supress, but when it comes down to the nut-cuttin' (as we say in Texas) they'll decide to come down on the side of a winner, just like they did in '91. Egypt has already committed behind the scenes. The ones that will benefit most from the dismissal of Saddam are the Saudis. They may never publically admit it, but they're behind dubbwa all the way.
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I think it's time to realize who the real enemy is. Let's ask Iraq to help us invade Saudi Arabia. After all, which country openly funds terrorists? Which country did most of the 9-11 terrorists come from?
 
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Originally posted by Thomas Paul:
I think it's time to realize who the real enemy is. Let's ask Iraq to help us invade Saudi Arabia. After all, which country openly funds terrorists? Which country did most of the 9-11 terrorists come from?


I agree, but that's a war best fought by attrition. Our marriage of convenience with the Saudi's ain't so appealing when you look behind the veil.
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Originally posted by Thomas Paul:
I think it's time to realize who the real enemy is. Let's ask Iraq to help us invade Saudi Arabia. After all, which country openly funds terrorists? Which country did most of the 9-11 terrorists come from?


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Originally posted by Rufus Bugleweed:

In view of the doctrine that your with us or against us, does a blitzkrieg attack on Syria in conjunction with a massive frontal assualt from the gulf solve logistics problems? Or does it start more political problems than it's worth?
What's your opinion?


There is one big problem: Syrian people. They are humans beings. Like me, they do not always act rationale.
If america starts a war against arabic nations on a large scale, bin Laden will have reached his goal.
In your job, if you go to customers, you do that without taking into consideration the feelings and opinions of your customers, may those be rationale or not?
Or you just rush in, wave Java-flag, tell them they are on the right side, take money and leave?
 
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Originally posted by Sameer Jamal:

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Bzzzt. Thanks for playing but you got the wrong answer. The correct naswer is Saudi Arabia. But please try again in the future.
 
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What was once thought to be the right answer ,is now considered a wrong answer and what is now thought of as the wrong answer will be ........ ( fill in the blank 5 years from now, did somebody mention marriage of convenience ? )
 
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There is one big problem: Syrian people. They are humans beings. Like me, they do not always act rationale.
Loss of life is very sad.
Those marines in Lebanon, they were people.
Those people Saddam gassed, they were people.
Those people in the path of his nuclear weapon ...
Syria, except for the terrorist camps, is largely a stepping stone. More closely it's a step over stone. The US needs an airbase in the north.
It's not like like the US needs to go door to door as it does in Baghdad. So if the Syrians want to fight defending their sovereignty, more losses will occur. If they want to want to sit on their hands and helplessly watch the world's policeman just do his job, fewer losses will occur.
When Saddam drops the bomb, is the rest of the world going to apologize?
 
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Isn't Turkey on Iraq's northern border?
 
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Google turned up this map.
Syrian Map
 
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Originally posted by Rufus Bugleweed:

When Saddam drops the bomb, is the rest of the world going to apologize?


Depends on the target. He's far likely to drop it, though, on a nation that expresses sympathy through passivity. Witness the traffic of Libyan terrorists through France not so long ago. Wasn't really an outrage until France got some of the action, if memory serves...
 
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pretty ironic that the so called cradle of civilization may well end up being its coffin as well
 
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Originally posted by Axel Janssen:
There is one big problem: Syrian people. They are humans beings. Like me, they do not always act rationale.


Question is, would the Syrian people be better off after an American ass-kickin'? Ask Japan and Central Europe. Ask the Afghans if they are better off now than a year ago. The fact is Americans detest war, we've shown our reluctance to involve ourselves in external disputes throughout our history, only getting involved when there were no further options. I certainly do not advocate declaring war on all the unfriendly Arab nations in the middle east as I am sure the vast majority of Americans do not either. What I do advocate is my five children having the same security and oppurtunity that this great bastion of freedom has given me. If that ultimately means the forced removal of those cancerous regimes and the institution of peace-loving, freedom-loving replacements then let there be war.
Michael Morris
[ August 16, 2002: Message edited by: Michael Morris ]
 
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