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Bert Bates
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I'm happy see MD evolve, but I hope it's not taken too far. I was thrilled by Paul's post on fallacies!
I would hope that somewhere on JR a forum can exist where all the brainy-people (and us lurkers), can discuss the events of the day. I disagree with lots of the opinions in this forum, but I also learn from them!
I also agree that this is no place for personal attacks. So, can this be a place where heated debates rage? Can it also be a place where the 'ragees' respect each other? If so, it will be a truly great forum, and an asset to JR.


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Agreed!


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Originally posted by Mason Jenard:
Agreed!

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Originally posted by Bert Bates:
I also agree that this is no place for personal attacks. So, can this be a place where heated debates rage? Can it also be a place where the 'ragees' respect each other? If so, it will be a truly great forum, and an asset to JR.

I agree - it is just SOOOOOO hard to maintain.
I think that Paul is doing a good job of TRYING to get things headed in the right direction. Hopefully after we all cool down from the recent Hot Flashes things will get back to a level keel.
Rufus BugleWeed
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I'm too lazy to find the song titles thread. And I am not sure of the artist name or the name of the song, but many of you will. I keep thinking of Meynard Jason's ( sic ) recent promotion and that song that talks of rain on your wedding day, like a free ride after you have already paid, it is the good advice that you just did not take, ...

Is not it ironic don't you think?
MD is so boring with out peaceniks killing war mongers.
Michael Ernest
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Alanis Morrisette. I think the song is just called "Irony"
Of course, nothing in it is ironic, which in itself is ironic. Heh.
So what's the difference between a pseudonym "designed to confuse others" and a readership that just isn't paying attention? Should we impose protection for the careless reader? Ironic minds want to know.
The previous paragraph I should post in the JavaRanch forum, and there's nothing ironic about that.
R K Singh
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Originally posted by Rufus BugleWeed:
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Is not it ironic don't you think?
MD is so boring ....QB]

Too boring without Jaosn, Map , Shura , ME, TP......
Looks like now they dont have anything to say
Paul this is really bad, you stoped moderators to come to MD


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John Smith
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Too boring without Jaosn, Map , Shura , ME, TP......
Looks like now they dont have anything to say

Yeah, now MD is truly meaningless. It used to have great intellectual discussions, now it is just plain politically correct small talk.
Something like this:
Poster 1: Yesterday I farted in a restaurant.
Poster 2: Ha ha ha.
Poster 3: Yeah, that's a great joke, I do it all the time.
Poster 4: I luv Nancy. Anyone from San Diego?
Poster 5: From AL, but I used to live in WA and I miss the apples from the local marketplace.
Poster 6: Happy mother's day!
Poster 7: .
Poster 8: 50 reasons to drive SUV [long list follows]
Poster 9: Hey Poster 8, great post, especially reason #39. I have a related question: I weigh 175 pounds, is that all right?
These down to earth, friendly, non-political, non-offensive, non-confrontational, nice, no-substance discussions make me feel like vomiting.
Eugene.
[ March 27, 2003: Message edited by: Eugene Kononov ]
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There are some discussions going on in Moderators Only about this. We're trying to figure out solutions that will keep the ranch friendly while also allowing room for more interesting discussions, for those who enjoy them. Several key people are about to be unavailable for several days though, so you probably won't see any new info posted here for a while. We haven't forgotten y'all though.


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Originally posted by Eugene Kononov:

Yeah, now MD is truly meaningless. It used to have great intellectual discussions, now it is just plain politically correct small talk.
Something like this:
Poster 1: Yesterday I farted in a restaurant.
Poster 2: Ha ha ha.
Poster 3: Yeah, that's a great joke, I do it all the time.
Poster 4: I luv Nancy. Anyone from San Diego?
Poster 5: From AL, but I used to live in WA and I miss the apples from the local marketplace.
Poster 6: Happy mother's day!
Poster 7: .
Poster 8: 50 reasons to drive SUV [long list follows]
These down to earth, friendly, non-political discussions make me feel like vomiting.
Eugene.
[ March 27, 2003: Message edited by: Eugene Kononov ]

Eugene, aren't I giving you enough work in SCJD?

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R K Singh
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Originally posted by Eugene Kononov:
These down to earth, friendly, non-political, non-offensive, non-confrontational, no-substance discussions make me feel like vomiting.

No need to puke ..
Actually too much of anything is bad and thats what happening here.
Public was repeating same thing again and again..
Once in a while a healthy discussion is always good.
But.... repaeting same thing in 10 different threads with different topic made me bore.
Cant it be discussed war/communism/capatilism/socialism/religion/democracy or what so ever intrests you without considering any nation/religion ?
Melvin Menezes
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Originally posted by Jim Yingst:
We're trying to figure out solutions

What? Are you gonna come up with a standard on discussion patterns ? or discussion anti-patterns as you said the other day?
paul wheaton
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Well, I would like to suggest that you find each person that could not abide "be nice" and kick them in the nuts.
If people could just be nice, like they agreed to be, then we wouldn't have to do this.
Stay tuned, we're trying to come up with new solutions.


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Gail Mikels
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Maybe you moderators/sherrif's, or whoever's in charge should create a new forum, "Politics", to include all the "hot" war discussions. I'm really not into discussing or reading about politics, and I'm sure politics are "meaningful" to most people, so they really don't belong in MD, anyways, huh??
Whatcha think?


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Yup, that's a possibility we're considering.
John Smith
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Maybe you moderators/sherrif's, or whoever's in charge should create a new forum, "Politics", to include all the "hot" war discussions.

I have a more generic suggestion. Why not create an "Uncensored" or "Unmoderated" forum, where ranchers would come to for heated discussions? Those interested in "easy listening" would still be comfortable discussing their grocery shopping habits with other nice chickens people in the well moderated MD, while the thrill seekers would enjoy the relentlessness of "War/No War" and "Would you kill an innocent child to save the world?" discussions without the intervention of the sheriffs. A Wild West forum. Now, if someone posts something like "Bush is stupid, and so are you", the local cowboys can handle it by themselves, -- that person would simply be ignored.
Eugene.
[ March 28, 2003: Message edited by: Eugene Kononov ]
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Eugene - that one sounds more iffy, to me anyway. I doubt we'd want to have anything totally unmoderated under the "JavaRanch" banner. Too much opportunity for ugliness that we'd get blamed for, and hurt feelings that would damage people's perception of the rest of the ranch. We've got enough of that now, I think. Though we could point people toward some other site for such discussions.
One of the basic problems here is that among ranchers, there's a wide continuum of different tolerance levels for different types of "unfriendliness". I for example have little interest in participating in a totally unmoderated forum (due to a probable excess of infantile name-calling such as we occasionally see here, especially recently), but I enjoy many of the other more serious discussions in MD. Others would prefer not to see such discussions at all. And I suspect that there will be a lot of variation in where exactly people think the boundaries should lie between the various categories we might try to assign discussions to. Also there seems to be a lot of variation in what people consider an "insult" or "unfriendly" - I'm thinking that whatever we do, it would help to have some more written guidelines and examples so people know what we mean. I think it's probably impossible to make absolute rules about a lot of it, which is why we haven't done so previously. And a lot of our policies evolve over time, based on what did or did not work well in the past, etc. But I think we can provide more in the way of published guidelines than we have - if we can agree first on what they should be.
[ March 27, 2003: Message edited by: Jim Yingst ]
Paul McKenna
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Suggestions:
Call the forum - 'Bloodsuckers'
Dont allow foul language but provide images such as Cow poop, a pic depicting the act of mooning for members to vent their anger on a topic


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Eleison Zeitgeist
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Originally posted by Jim Yingst:
Eugene - that one sounds more iffy, to me anyway. I doubt we'd want to have anything totally unmoderated under the "JavaRanch" banner. Too much opportunity for ugliness that we'd get blamed for, and hurt feelings that would damage people's perception of the rest of the ranch. We've got enough of that now, I think. Though we could point people toward some other site for such discussions.
One of the basic problems here is that among ranchers, there's a wide continuum of different tolerance levels for different types of "unfriendliness". I for example have little interest in participating in a totally unmoderated forum (due to a probable excess of infantile name-calling such as we occasionally see here, especially recently), but I enjoy many of the other more serious discussions in MD. Others would prefer not to see such discussions at all. And I suspect that there will be a lot of variation in where exactly people think the boundaries should lie between the various categories we might try to assign discussions to. Also there seems to be a lot of variation in what people consider an "insult" or "unfriendly" - I'm thinking that whatever we do, it would help to have some more written guidelines and examples so people know what we mean. I think it's probably impossible to make absolute rules about a lot of it, which is why we haven't done so previously. And a lot of our policies evolve over time, based on what did or did not work well in the past, etc. But I think we can provide more in the way of published guidelines than we have - if we can agree first on what they should be.
[ March 27, 2003: Message edited by: Jim Yingst ]


I like Eugene's idea. As for the javaranch banner/"branding" put a disclaimer "the views expressed here are not necessary the views of javaranch..." yady, yady, yaa... "toward some other site" -- definitely an idea.... however, most others site don't have a congregation of java developers - just hardcore politics; but then thats why I come to javaranch MD (ie., its niche).
For fairly hardcore java information, newsgroups are a better source than javaranch. However, I did notice that javaranch probably has the best "how to get certified in some java technology"...."
ps. trying to keep md more open - I don't even know why I bother. If the powers that be decides censorship is cool - so be it; while there will be more bland topics, @ least I can find other ways to spend my time; maybe something more productive ;-)
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The moderators have some stuff we are working through, but it seems that the issue will be resolved soon in a satisfactory manner.
 
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