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Joel McNary
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I take a lot of ribbing for this, but anytime I get a hold of something where I can adjust the text colors, I always set it to be green text on a black background. And I do away with colored syntax highlighting (well, not entirely...My comments do change color, and lately I've been setting my literals to white text). But no blue keywords! (Truth be told, I do make them yellow, so there is a difference, albeit a very subtle one.)
I find it much easier to read green text on a black background. Anybody else do this, or am I all alone in my effort to return to a world I hardly remember? (I'm 26, so I don't have too much memory of the old green-on-black terminals of yesteryear...although I have seen one in a museum, I think )


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Originally posted by Joel McNary:
I'm 26, so I don't have too much memory of the old green-on-black terminals of yesteryear...although I have seen one in a museum, I think )

I used to use them everyday as recently as 1997.
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Originally posted by Joel McNary:
I'm 26, so

No need to apologize for your age. After all, I am WAAAAAAAAAAY younger than you are


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Originally posted by Jason Menard:

I used to use them everyday as recently as 1997.


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I remember times when there were no monitors, and you had to type OS commands on typewriter.


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I remember times when there were no typewriters and you had to carve your OS commands on stone tablets!


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stone tablets!
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I remeber when you had to SPEAK the commands to the OS in a voice that could be heard across the universe.
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I too change the colors of all my xterm or unix windows to green on black OR yellow on black.
I agree, it is easier on the eyeballs. JBuilder doesn't look as good this way due to the many different coloring schemes used.
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Originally posted by Joel McNary:
I take a lot of ribbing for this, but anytime I get a hold of something where I can adjust the text colors, I always set it to be green text on a black background. And I do away with colored syntax highlighting (well, not entirely...My comments do change color, and lately I've been setting my literals to white text). But no blue keywords! (Truth be told, I do make them yellow, so there is a difference, albeit a very subtle one.)
I find it much easier to read green text on a black background. Anybody else do this, or am I all alone in my effort to return to a world I hardly remember? (I'm 26, so I don't have too much memory of the old green-on-black terminals of yesteryear...although I have seen one in a museum, I think )

I always use green on black even you cannot change me
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I wonder if the Universe class is implemented as a singleton.
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Good question. I was also wondering what class "this" refers to - and is it a singleton?


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Originally posted by Jim Yingst:
Good question. I was also wondering what class "this" refers to - and is it a singleton?

And also does "this" have a main method or has it been invoked from another class!
Michael Morris
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I remember times when there were no typewriters and you had to carve your OS commands on stone tablets!
OK, but really, how many of you remember dropping a 6" stack of punch cards (your FORTRAN program) that you spent that last 3 hours creating and now having an incorrigible mass of randomness?
I remember times when there were no monitors, and you had to type OS commands on typewriter.
How about plugging in machine code with toggle switches?
I find it much easier to read green text on a black background.
It reminds me too much of the old dumb Wyse 50s (though they were black text on a green background). We still have a bunch of those in storage, anybody want to buy one cheap?


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Originally posted by Jim Yingst:
Good question. I was also wondering what class "this" refers to - and is it a singleton?

This code is just a framework. Implementation details are left as an excercise to the reader.
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i remember when you had to set switches on the front to on or off


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Joel McNary
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Originally posted by Michael Morris:
It reminds me too much of the old dumb Wyse 50s (though they were black text on a green background).

Black text on green background! My TI 99/4A did the same thing, as (I think) did the RadioShack Model II (Unless, of course, you had a Black-and-white TV...). By the time you got the the RadioShack Models III and IV (with monitor integrated, like a Mac Classic) It was the Sky-blue on black, a la DOS (Of course, I change my DOS Prompt to be green on black, of course )
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This code is just a framework. Implementation details are left as an excercise to the reader.
Well, I did start working on this partial implementation for Universe, but ran into difficulties...

"botrus pros botrun pepainetai"
Joel McNary
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Originally posted by Jim Yingst:

Well, I did start working on this partial implementation for Universe, but ran into difficulties...

Your first problem is that you forgot the elephants....
Java is not a good language for representing this implementation of the Universe, BTW. You really need to use Logo

"botrus pros botrun pepainetai"

Thanks. I was wondering when somebody would notice and/or question.
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Jim Yingst
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Your first problem is that you forgot the elephants....
I was working with the Pratchett model, actually. But turtles or elephants, same idea...
I was wondering when somebody would notice and/or question.
Well, that was my original motivation too. I guess this means we should devise a secret handshake or something.
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i am not sure whether this is off topic? but when it comes to color, i am all for red, flame red.
so far i have owned three cars:
1983 toyota camery, grey
1996 mazda miata, flame red
2002 jeep wrangler, flame red
what is the next? don't know yet, but one thing is certain, it will be flame red again.
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I was wondering when somebody would notice and/or question.
Well, that was my original motivation too.

I googled Jim's sig after I noticed it for the first time, and wondered what he meant.
Then it occured to me that it's probably about JavaRanch. If not, I'll still prefer my version.
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i found when you have something in mind, it make life a lot easier. for example, if you want to buy a red car, all you need to do is call all the dealers up, ask them whether they have it. some dealer don't, then you let them go, some dealer do, then that is it.
Richard Hawkes
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Originally posted by Jim Yingst:
I was working with the Pratchett model, actually. But turtles or elephants, same idea...
You need to stick the elephants between the world and the turtle otherwise you'll generate errors - check the Java 2 Supreme Being Edition API specs.
Jim Yingst
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You need to stick the elephants between the world and the turtle otherwise you'll generate errors - check the Java 2 Supreme Being Edition API specs.
This would be the spec that disallows direct recursion but has a loophole for 2-phase recursion? :roll:
I googled Jim's sig after I noticed it for the first time, and wondered what he meant.
Then it occured to me that it's probably about JavaRanch. If not, I'll still prefer my version.

In my interpretation, the statement is self-referential as much as anything. It can be applied to many things, including MD, and programming. Plus Augustus McCrae's sign would actually fit in pretty well with the decor of the ranch.
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"uvaque conspecta livorem ducit ab uva"
http://www.geocities.com/danidarc/dove/text/uva.txt
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Hasta la vista baby!
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After all, I am WAAAAAAAAAAY younger than you are
Me toooo..............
Could anyone answers the question?
Which language of the following statement is?
Joel
"botrus pros botrun pepainetai"
And
Jim
"Uva uvam vivendo varia fit."


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Joel McNary
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Originally posted by Don Liu:
i am not sure whether this is off topic

Off topic? I think that this whole thread is off-topic
Originally posted by siu chung man:

Which language of the following statement is?


"botrus pros botrun pepainetai" is Greek
"Uva uvam vivendo varia fit." is (misspelled) Latin (From the Western Lonesome Dove)
If you correct the Latin, both mean roughly the same thing, roughly:
"A grape ripens when in the presense of other grapes"
Check out Joseph's link a couple of posts back for a further discussion.
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Jim Yingst
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For what it's worth, there are different interpretations of this out there.
The Lonesome Dove version is a misquote; the corrected original is:
"Uva uvam videndo varia fit."
Literally, this means something like
"One grape, on seeing another, becomes varied (in color)."
Now, does this "varied" refer to the ripening process, or spoilage? Different sources (latin scholars) seem to say different things here. I like the second interpretation, which suggest the phrase is equivalent to "one bad apple can spoil the whole bunch". This is self-referential in the Lonesome Dove misquote, because changing "videndo" (seeing) to "vivendo" (living) manages to completely spoil the meaning of the phrase - at least, to anyone who doesn't recognize the intended original. When I first researched this I came across very lengthy discussions of what the quote "meant" (the misquoted version, that is) and how it related to various themes in Lonesome Dove. It was remarkable to me how varied the interpretations could be, and how much people could take an ambiguous phrase and twist it around in various ways to say all sorts of different things. When I finally came across someone who pointed out the original source of the quote, I laughed out loud, because I saw it as a debunking of the many crazy theories people had come up with based on the misquote. "See, you get one letter wrong, and the whole thing's ruined."
In the context of the original novel "Lonesome Dove" (and I forget how much of this made it into the TV version), Gus McCrae had found the phrase in an old book of latin quotes, and copied it onto his sign because he thought it looked profound (evidently without knowing what it meant). It was mentioned that there was at least one scholoarly type who had seem the sign and been amused, indicating author McMurtry knew perfectly well that it was a misquote. Basically, I see it as a small joke that went awry an managed to confuse the hell out of a lot of people before it was resolved. Discerning the applicability of this idea to MD is left as an excercise for the reader.
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Francis Siu
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Jim and Joel
Actually,my theory is
"one bad apple can spoil the whole bunch"
equivalent to
"Get one letter wrong, and the whole thing's ruined"
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I interpreted "Uva uvam vivendo varia fit" as "I go with the flow". Surely you aren't a conformist, are you, Jim?
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Originally posted by Nanhesru Ningyake:
I interpreted "Uva uvam vivendo varia fit" as "I go with the flow". Surely you aren't a conformist, are you, Jim?

I interpreted it as "hang around at JavaRanch and you will ripen into something as cool as all these folks that really know their Java".


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Joel McNary
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Originally posted by Cindy Glass:

I interpreted it as "hang around at JavaRanch and you will ripen into something as cool as all these folks that really know their Java".

That's my preferred interpretation, too...
Jim Yingst
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"Hang around and ripen until you are ripped off your vine, tossed in a barrel and stomped on, and your juices left to ferment and then be ingested."
Sure, sounds fun. :roll:
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