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The concept that money is societies and not an individuals is really warped.
or been summarily executed
Originally posted by HS Thomas:
Let us see if I'm reading these figures right. Numbers dazzle me, especially numbers on taxes.
25.75 ( million of the population ) paid 1% of the total tax share and have incomes averaging $118,000 ?
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Originally posted by Rufus BugleWeed:
Could you please add in sales and property taxes.
I would really appeciate it if you would calculate what percentage of income goes to taxes after subtracting what the government says is the level that brings one above the poverty level.
Many a person with this attitude has been fined, gone to jail, or been summarily executed. Section 8 of article 1 is very clear The Congress shall have the power to lay and collect Taxes... :roll:
Originally posted by Paul Wheaton:
When I was in San Diego I remember avoiding certain petroleum companies because they bought their oil from the mid-east. My cousin avoided certain oil companies because (I think I have this right) they would set their companies up in such a way that they would not pay their fair share of taxes. He said that if he supports companies that pay american taxes, that's less taxes that he is going to have to pay.
Huh? The more one makes, the more one needs government services to protect what you made! Why do you think the poor masses aren't storming Beverly Hills mansions? The police stand in their way. The guy on the street living in a cardboard box doesn't need the police to protect his assets.Originally posted by Jason Menard:
It would seem intuitively that the more money one makes, the less one is dependant on government services.
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Originally posted by Thomas Paul:
Huh? The more one makes, the more one needs government services to protect what you made! Why do you think the poor masses aren't storming Beverly Hills mansions? The police stand in their way. The guy on the street living in a cardboard box doesn't need the police to protect his assets.
They do... it's called the police force. Why do you think the police make sure the riots stay in the poor neighborhoods and don't spread to wealthy neighborhoods? If you look at the recent riots in NYC and LA, the police did nothing as long as the riots stayed in the poor neighborhoods. When it looked like it might get out of hand and spread they stepped in.Originally posted by Jason Menard:
I suppose if the "rich" needed more protection, they would hire some.
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Originally posted by Thomas Paul:
Why do you think the police make sure the riots stay in the poor neighborhoods and don't spread to wealthy neighborhoods?
Originally posted by Jason Menard:
It would seem intuitively that the more money one makes, the less one is dependant on government services.
That still doesn't explain why you think it is the governments money and not the earners.
Why we aren't talking about state and local taxes. We also aren't talking about payroll(FICA), medicare taxes, state income or local income taxes, sin taxes, or any other local tax.
Originally posted by Jason Menard:
The problem is that the terms "wealthy" and "rich" are not used correctly. In tax terms, the "wealthy" are those households with incomes of $92,000 or greater. I don't know what part of the country you live in, but a household income of $92,000 where I live is very much middle class. This is the reality of our tax system, not some fantasy about rich playboys flying around the country in their Leer jets.
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Originally posted by Rufus BugleWeed:
It is the government's money. People who cheat the government of its share go to jail for tax evasion. It's not the color of their skin, their poor attitude, that they are the product of a broken home, or discrimination on the basis of age. Taxes or the siezure of what you feel is the earners is as old as society.
I read this as you have presented inaccurate data.
[ September 04, 2003: Message edited by: Rufus BugleWeed ]
And if the government did not exist how much money do you think those wealthy people would have earned? The government created a stable marketplace where wealth can be made. Those who make the wealth should be required to pay for the services that the government provides to make that wealth possible.Originally posted by Paul Stevens:
Your arguements makes no sense at all. How do you figure money that people earn is the governments?
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Originally posted by Thomas Paul:
And if the government did not exist how much money do you think those wealthy people would have earned? The government created a stable marketplace where wealth can be made. Those who make the wealth should be required to pay for the services that the government provides to make that wealth possible.
Originally posted by Paul Stevens:
Where did I ever say that people should not pay taxes? Show me where I said that. Your arguement is another so what. Look at the stats at the top. It shows that "the rich" pay their fair share.
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Originally posted by Richard Hawkes:
Originally posted by Jason Menard:
If you're refering to the current brand of Euro-socialism (in all its various forms), in what way is it a dismal failure?
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Originally posted by Mapraputa Is:
I wonder how to call what the current "democratic" government does to "people's needs" and why *it* hasn't collapsed yet?
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Uncontrolled vocabularies
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Originally posted by Thomas Paul:
Which is part of the problem. We have flattened the trax system so much that the guy making $75,000 is paying the same rate as the guy making $2.5 million. That is just silly.
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Originally posted by Jason Menard:
My argument is simply that nobody is paying their "fair" share of taxes. Is there any argument that our progressive tax system is just? Is there a reason a middle class dual-income couple in MD for example has to pay far more of their "fair" share of the tax burden?
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Originally posted by Jeroen Wenting:
No, that is just.
Were he to pay the same AMOUNT it would be silly, not the same percentage!
Or are you a favour of the "base income" system that has been proposed several times in Europe where each person would get a standard income guaranteed from the government and all the rest is taxed away?
That way the money would be shared according to strict communist principles, everyone having exactly the same amount.
Problem of course in such a system is that noone would do any work at all (why do anything if you're paid the same whether you do or not?).
Or would you prefer the Soviet system where a streetsweeper would get paid more than a surgeon in a hospital because he has a larger impact on society (this is not made up, streetsweepers DID get paid more than surgeons in that sick society).
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