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Mapraputa Is
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Joe will kill me for bringing in a third-party testimony again ! But this is just too good for not to share.
Azar Nafisi. "Reading Lolita in Tehran".
"The chief film censor in Iran, up until 1994, was blind. Well, nearly blind. Before that, he was the censor for theater. One of my playwright friends once described how he would sit in the theater wearing thick glasses that seemed to hide more than they revealed. An assistant who sat by him would explain the action onstage, and he would dictate the parts that needed to be cut.
After 1994, this censor became the head of the new television channel. There, he perfected his methods and demanded that the scriptwriters gave him their scripts on audiotape; they were forbidden to make them attractive or dramatize them in any way. He then made his judgment about the scripts based on the tapes. More interesting, however, is the fact that his successor, who was not blind -- not physically, that is -- nonetheless followed the same system."
So what is my point? Hm... How about this: Walter Benjamin said that human languages complement each other up to one perfect complete language. Similarly, authoritarian states complement each other up to a complete, perfect idea of authoritarianisms...


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Andres Gonzalez
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Jeez, we should call this forum The Meaningless Diary.. :roll:
Anxiously waiting for Joe's reply


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Hee hee!
First, Andres, I said I would not comment on Map's third party quotes, and I won't. But even if I wanted to, I couldn't comment on this one, because I don't have a clue what Map is talking about.
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Originally posted by Joe Pluta:
But even if I wanted to, I couldn't comment on this one, because I don't have a clue what Map is talking about.
Thank god! I thought it was just me!


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I am puzzled, too. What do you mean "authoritarian states complement each other up to a complete, perfect idea of authoritarianisms"? Perhaps you meant to say that authoritarian states complement democratic states along the lines of the Marx-Engels dialectical materialism?
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What on the Earth is not clear now???
A censor in Iran who had to check movies and TV programs was blind. Is this part clear? I found this fact very ironical. Isn't it? According to my best knowledge this did not happen in my own totalitarian country. I was amused about different form and shades authoritarianisms can manifest itself.
The fact that his successor though not blind left the procedure intact, illustrates how tradition quickly become rigid and hard to change in a-states.
Frankly, I am not sure there is much to discuss, I just wanted to share this little story. Can I? But If you have any question, do not be shy to ask.
Danke f�r Ihre Aufmerksamkeit.
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EK: I am puzzled, too. What do you mean "authoritarian states complement each other up to a complete, perfect idea of authoritarianisms"?
That each state realized only a small selected subset of possibilities out of the whole set an authoritarian way of development can offer. It would never occur to me that a censor can be blind... Looking at other countries we can achieve a deeper understanding of what an ideal authoritarian state is about.
1) terms "pure" and "ideal" are used in Plato's sense of "pure ideas"
2) all above in no way implies that an authoritarian way of development is good.
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Now I understand. This is a search for the ideal (in a Platonic sense) totalitarian state. I think George Orwell beat you to it but now that I think about it, I don't recall any blind censors!
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But If you have any question, do not be shy to ask.
I have a question: which version of "Lolita" was shown in Iran, the one directed by Adrian Lyne or the one directed by Stanley Kubrick? And if it was a theatrical performance, did Lolita wear that sexy traditional Iranian outfit? It must have been an eye opener (in a Platonic sense).
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Your original inner message was skewed in our minds by your outer message resulting in an unsightly inny-outy
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Originally posted by Eugene Kononov:
did Lolita wear that sexy traditional Iranian outfit?
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I don't have much to offer here, except to say that the phrase "ideal authoritarian state" makes me shudder, no matter how Platonic.
And besides, I never bought that whole "Platonic relationship" thing anyway.
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Originally posted by Joe Pluta:
I don't have much to offer here, except to say that the phrase "ideal authoritarian state" makes me shudder, no matter how Platonic.
And besides, I never bought that whole "Platonic relationship" thing anyway.
Joe

you couldn't resist to post, I knew that
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That's right. Every time I am sure that my post has ~zero potential for discussion, there is a whole thread growing out of it at the speed of bamboo.
Tom: Now I understand. This is a search for the ideal (in a Platonic sense) totalitarian state. I think George Orwell beat you to it but now that I think about it, I don't recall any blind censors!

That what I was trying to say! If I was trying to say anything at all. Actually no, I would be happy to simply see what associations people might have, but according to the rules of the forum, the frame message is that every post should have at least one point. If you do not provide one, people will try to assign their own. So there.
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EK: I have a question: which version of "Lolita" was shown in Iran, the one directed by Adrian Lyne or the one directed by Stanley Kubrick?

The book is called "Reading Lolita in Tehran" not "Watching Lolita in Tehran". The author is a professor of English literature, the book was prohibited and they read it in a private class she had in her house. I do not recall she ever mentioned that a movie was shown, but then, I only started reading...
did Lolita wear that sexy traditional Iranian outfit?
Speaking about sexy traditional Iranian outfit, she mentioned interesting detail, when her girls came, they took out their burkas and under them they wear jeans and t-shirts. Is this how Iranian women normally are dressed, do they wear jeans home or what.
And now we have "Cheap flights to Tehran" and "Reading Lolita in Tehran" google ads!
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Incidentally, "Lolita" was denounced as "filth" and "sheer unrestrained pornography" in America. Nabokov pressed to publish it anonymously to protect his reputation as a professor at Cornell University. The book failed to find a publisher in US. When it was eventually published in France, it was banned there as well.
It got even more interesting. In 1957, the US Customs lifted the ban on the "Lolita" import, but France didn't allow the export. Despite the US customs decision, the US publishers refused to publish Lolita until 1958.
Reminds me of Canada legalizing pot. On one side of the US-Canada border, you are a Canadian. As soon as you cross the border with a quarter of an ounce of grass, you become a criminal and face 10 years in prison. Isn't this filthy and pornographic?
American public television is the case study in absurdity of the censorship. The B-52s bombing the cities and the videos of Saddam's sons' corpses are shown in their full beauty, while the photos of the kiss between Madonna and Britney are perceived as destructive to public morals, and a cover 1/2 of an inch above the nipple is the official boundary (set by Ashcroft?)
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Originally posted by Eugene Kononov:
...while the photos of the kiss between Madonna and Britney are perceived as destructive to public morals.
No pictures of Coldplay bumming Radiohead though. Strange...
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Originally posted by Eugene Kononov:
Reminds me of Canada legalizing pot. On one side of the US-Canada border, you are a Canadian. As soon as you cross the border with a quarter of an ounce of grass, you become a criminal and face 10 years in prison. Isn't this filthy and pornographic?
Yes, Canada should change their laws immediaitely! On the serious side, no one goes to prison for 10 years for possession of a quarter ounce of pot.
 
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