The Strategy of Nuclear Tie-up

Let me explain what it is first. I will start with an example: a very small country has ~10 nuclear heads and some median range missiles (<3000 km). Assume this country is in the middle of Euro-Asia continent, so it is not a threat to the US. But, it is certainly a threat to Russia. If it fires all its missiles with nuclear heads to Russia, Russia will suffer very badly. Russia will probably launch all its nuclear missiles to the US, China, France, and UK. Without a question, it will be the end of the world.
Actually, this country does not have to launch nuclear attack to Russia first, it can attack any nuclear power. Under despair situation and some selfish reason, the attacked country will perhaps attack Russia and other nuclear powers in response, results in a chain reaction.
This scenario is not unreal. Is there any remedy for it?

Russia will probably launch all its nuclear missiles to the US, China, France, and UK.

Why would Russia do that? shouldn't they attack the small country?

anyways, I think there's no remedy. We're gonna end up killing each other.

Originally posted by Andres Gonzalez:

Why would Russia do that? shouldn't they attack the small country?

They should and currently probably will (if they're able to launch at all).
In the 1970s and '80s they'd have launched at the given list (US, UK, France and PRC) instead because their detection systems were not capable of detecting where the nuclear warhead came from.
Even now on receiving confirmation of a nuclear detonation on their territory the Russian/Soviet leadership may panic and order a full scale launch at the preset coordinates in retaliation (which are of course in the US, US, PRC and France as Russia did not comply with the treaty which has the US and Russia retarget their missiles to open ocean claiming technical problems).

Originally posted by <java programmer>:
This scenario is not unreal.

Really?

Well, may be its a bit dated, but is it unreal?

Originally posted by <java programmer>:
Let me explain what it is first. I will start with an example: a very small country has ~10 nuclear heads and some median range missiles (<3000 km). Assume this country is in the middle of Euro-Asia continent, so it is not a threat to the US. But, it is certainly a threat to Russia. If it fires all its missiles with nuclear heads to Russia, Russia will suffer very badly. Russia will probably launch all its nuclear missiles to the US, China, France, and UK. Without a question, it will be the end of the world.
Actually, this country does not have to launch nuclear attack to Russia first, it can attack any nuclear power. Under despair situation and some selfish reason, the attacked country will perhaps attack Russia and other nuclear powers in response, results in a chain reaction.
This scenario is not unreal. Is there any remedy for it?

Why one country will attack nuclear power or Russia? or any country for that matter using nulear warheads?and what is this 'despair situation and some selfish reason the attacked country" will have?

Even now on receiving confirmation of a nuclear detonation on their territory the Russian/Soviet leadership may panic and order a full scale launch at the preset coordinates in retaliation (which are of course in the US, US, PRC and France
Plus they will order the Earth to rotate in opposite direction, just to piss off the US, US (did you mean UK?) PRC and France.
Russia will probably launch *ALL* its nuclear missiles to the US, China, France, and UK.
You are such a strategist.
[ September 10, 2003: Message edited by: Mapraputa Is ]

UK ?
Doubt it! Cherie and the Russian First Lady are real close and exchange tips on fashion and handbags.
regards

Originally posted by Mapraputa Is:
Even now on receiving confirmation of a nuclear detonation on their territory the Russian/Soviet leadership may panic and order a full scale launch at the preset coordinates in retaliation (which are of course in the US, US, PRC and France
Plus they will order the Earth to rotate in opposite direction, just to piss off the US, US (did you mean UK?) PRC and France.
Russia will probably launch *ALL* its nuclear missiles to the US, China, France, and UK.
You are such a strategist.
[ September 10, 2003: Message edited by: Mapraputa Is ]

Dude java programmer you better stop pissin' off Map.

Originally posted by Mapraputa Is:
Russia will probably launch *ALL* its nuclear missiles to the US, China, France, and UK.
You are such a strategist.

well, never under-estimate 10 modern nuclear warheads. 3~4 of Russia's biggest cities will be destroyed. Moscow, St. Peterburg, Stalin-grad, ...
under attack, Russia government probably won't exactly know what is happening, other than "we are nuked". So the first thing they will do is likely to launch all the nuclear missiles while they still can.

If that ever happens, I'd rather be in either of the poles (North or South Antarctica) preferable south pole. cause both russia and USA are closer to North pole. Cause I cant fight for sure, when a bomb drops you are gonna just evaporate so I'd rather be in South Antarctica. I'll probably also Invite Angelina Jolie, Salma Hayek, Britney (she is young

and has a kick ass body) Emeril (Cmon guys this dude can make italian food out of any frigging thing) also probably a carton of Marlboro lights (Why because by the time I smoke 'em all cigs and chicks We all would be dead any way)

based on the fact that you do not want to invade Sun Microsystem, therefore you can not program in java

I could care less about Java, The only Java I am going to care would be a cup o java that can keep me warm

3~4 of Russia's biggest cities will be destroyed. Moscow, St. Peterburg, Stalin-grad, ...
In response, Russia will destroy Washington, St. Nixon, Sweet Lake City, ...

3~4 of Russia's biggest cities will be destroyed. Moscow, St. Peterburg, Stalin-grad, ...
Probably Leningrad too. In response the US might lose New York City as well as New Amsterdam. As things escalate, China could lose Peking and Beijing, and Turkey might lose both Istanbul and Constantinople.

[ September 12, 2003: Message edited by: Jim Yingst ]

Originally posted by Jim Yingst:
3~4 of Russia's biggest cities will be destroyed. Moscow, St. Peterburg, Stalin-grad, ...
Probably Leningrad too. In response the US might lose New Your City as well as New Amsterdam. As things escalate, Chine could lose Peking and Beijing, and Turkey might lose both Istanbul and Constantinople.

please note:
St. Petersburg was Leningrad before;
Stalin-grad was the name of Volgograd before, where is the turning point of WW2.
of course, originally, they were called St. Petersburg and Volgograd respectively. then communist took over and they changed the names. Lennin is bigger than Stalin, so St. Petersburg is bigger than Volgograd.
The last czer built St. Petersburg. Lennin's old brother was killed by last czer, so Lennin revenged by killing all his family.

of course, originally, they were called St. Petersburg and Volgograd
respectively.
Of course, Volgograd wasn't called Volgograd respectively.

The last czer built St. Petersburg.
Oh my.
Lennin's old brother was killed by last czer, so Lennin revenged by killing all his family.
Lenin's old brother was killed by the same "czer" who built St. Petersburg?

Originally posted by Mapraputa Is:

The last czer built St. Petersburg.
Oh my.
Lennin's old brother was killed by last czer, so Lennin revenged by killing all his family.
Lenin's old brother was killed by the same "czer" who built St. Petersburg?

Lenin's old brother was killed by the last czar, St. Petersburg was built around 1703, so it was built by one of the czars.

Not if the US can help it. Hey, they invented the internet, GPS, atom bomb... I'm pretty sure the STARWARS thing will pan out. Actually, it could be working already and they are not telling anyone ;-)
-Eleison
ps. I can see it now, the Americans: "screw you all with your petty Middle East crisis crap, your anti-american views... your french wines and cheese.. Look at all you guys now, killing each other; while you pansies were dreaming of world peace, we were working on protecting ourselves"....

Originally posted by Andres Gonzalez:
anyways, I think there's no remedy. We're gonna end up killing each other.

Originally posted by Eleison Zeitgeist:
I'm pretty sure the STARWARS thing will pan out. Actually, it could be working already and they are not telling anyone ;-)

right now, i believe it works only in the case of small number of missiles attack, not the magnitude of attack by Russia. in the long term, people will refine it and make it more capable. but it is still a game of cost. when offense side spends more on missiles, the defense side will perhaps have to spend more (even much more) to increase the capability.

Agreed. However, considering that the US spends so much more on the military than any other country, when (or if) the STARWARS things happens (maybe already works), it will be a while for the defense to catch up, if ever. Other countries cannot compete economically (play the "spending" game) with the US...
Note: Even though the US spends so much on the military, due to it's econonmy, it doesn't affect it's citizen as much. For instance, while N. Korea tries to keep up with the West, it directly takes food away from its citizen... basically a cycle which will cause it to be a step (err.. make that a few hundred steps) behind technically.

Originally posted by <java programmer>:

right now, i believe it works only in the case of small number of missiles attack, not the magnitude of attack by Russia. in the long term, people will refine it and make it more capable. but it is still a game of cost. when offense side spends more on missiles, the defense side will perhaps have to spend more (even much more) to increase the capability.

Originally posted by Mapraputa Is:

Plus they will order the Earth to rotate in opposite direction, just to piss off the US, US (did you mean UK?) PRC and France.
[ September 10, 2003: Message edited by: Mapraputa Is ]

I thought only superman could do that!!! Damn Russians!!! :-)

The last czer built St. Petersburg.
Did you just pop it from the top of your head, as a random guess, or was this piece of information brought to your attention in some Russian History class? You know, we hold people accountable here in MD, even if they post anonymously. The disciplinary actions include, but are not limited to, blocking the poster IP address to prevent the future damage.

[ September 12, 2003: Message edited by: Eugene Kononov ]

Originally posted by Eugene Kononov:
The last czer built St. Petersburg.
Did you just pop it from the top of your head

apologize for the mistake, but in one of my previous posts, i have corrected it. please let me know if there is further mistake.

Lenin's old brother was killed by the last czar, St. Petersburg was built around 1703, so it was built by one of the czars.

Originally posted by Eugene Kononov:
blocking the poster IP address to prevent the future damage.

it is easier to block ip address, easier than blocking the desire for truth.

apologize for the mistake, but in one of my previous posts, i have corrected it.
Your apology is accepted.

it is easier to block ip address, easier than blocking the desire for truth.
I am with you on that issue, my friend. However, when you find the "truth", check the initial assumptions on which the "truth" is based.

[ September 12, 2003: Message edited by: Eugene Kononov ]

Originally posted by Eugene Kononov:
when you find the "truth", check the initial assumptions on which the "truth" is based.

Lenin's old brother was killed by the last czar
Lenin's old brother was excecuted 8 May 1887, on order of csar Alexander III. The last Russian csar is known as Nikolay II. :roll:

Originally posted by Mapraputa Is:
Lenin's old brother was killed by the last czar
Lenin's old brother was excecuted 8 May 1887, on order of csar Alexander III. The last Russian csar is known as Nikolay II. :roll:

thanks! to my knowledge, Nikolay II and his family were excuted by Lenin and followers.

You are welcome.
Speaking about the desire for truth, communists did not rename Volgograd to Stalingrad. Until 1925 the city was called Czarizin, then Stalingrad, and since 1961 it's Volgograd.

Until 1925 the city was called Czarizin, then Stalingrad, and since 1961 it's Volgograd.
I hear some talk on the 'net about the Russians trying to rename it back to its historical name, Czarizin. Nostalgia for the pre-revolution era?

Maybe they just envy St. Petersburg.

Maybe we can get these guys to make a new song for the occasion. "Now it's Vol-go-grad not Sta-ling-grad an-y-more it's Vol-go-grad..."

Maybe we can get these guys to make a new song for the occasion.
Hey, this is good stuff!