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Looks like the governor of the state of California is now an actor. Kinda like the Reagan days, I suppose.
I don't know much about what's going on, but from what little I know: they recalled the ex-governor because..... people think he's responsible for the bad economy? There's gotta be more to it than that.
The only thing that seems disturbing to me is the precident this sets. Now that arnie is in, is he going to have a chance to do his thing, or will the democrats start a recall campaign? It would seem that any time a politician's popularity drops below 45%, the opposing party could start a recall campaign. Then, the politician has to spend time defending himself instead of doing the work associated with his office.
I haven't paid much attention to this stuff, but it does seem that this could become the way politics works from now on. The opposing party harasses the sitting politician thereby making him/her ineffective. Today it's Gray Davis. A couple of years ago it was Bill Clinton. Tomorrow?
 
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Seriously , I thought the Govern-ator was a Las Vegian.
How much does he have to know about California ?
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The opposing party harasses the sitting politician thereby making him/her ineffective. Today it's Gray Davis. A couple of years ago it was Bill Clinton. Tomorrow?
And those are the only 2 this has ever happened to? :roll: This also isn't the first time it was tried in that state. It is the first time it worked.
 
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I guess that Californians felt that in the long run, more damage would be done by leaving Davis in than replacing him.
 
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Seriously , I thought the Govern-ator was a Las Vegian.
Why do you say that?
 
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I understand from tourist guides that Arnold lives mainly in Las Vegas, Nevada at his ranch. (I wasn't trying to lampoon him, honest. This is a serious thread, I'll save that for another one.)
Perhaps they were trying a hard-sell to tourists and he doesn't live there a lot. I was also informed that he was partial to a night out on the town occasionally. Well if you live in a town occasionally you are entitled to nights out in town.
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On the whole groping thing, I guess I'm jealous. I would never think to grope a woman I didn't know. However, In visiting with some cousins in San Diego, they were saying that in the night clubs, groping strangers is very common. Maybe in Arnie's world, groping is just part of the "fun". Why did these women not speak out sooner? Why did they not press some kind of charges (I'm guessing it is illegal). Maybe they thought it was fun to be groped by a movie star. If they said anything to the press, the press would say "who cares?" But when he is running for governor, suddenly it's their opportunity to get their name on the front page.
So it would be cool be so famous that I could walk around groping women who would think it was great that I groped them. I'm not sure if that's what happens in Arnie's life. I'm just saying it would be cool.
 
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What are women for if not to be groped???
 
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They make good proofreaders...
 
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What are women for if not to be groped???


So... Map... if I were to just casually grab a handfull of yer bum while waiting in line at the local grocery ... that would be ok?
Is this Implementing the 'Map Interface'?
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Doco: So... Map... if I were to just casually grab a handfull of yer bum while waiting in line at the local grocery ... that would be ok?
For one thing, I would be scared. Because nobody does this, so I wouldn't know what to expect next. For another thing, you would be a stranger to me, so again, I would be scared. If we managed to eliminate "threat" factor, and then to eliminate "a good girl shouldn't allow these things" then what we are left with?
<warning: politically incorrect content>
When I was about 18, one of my co-workers used to.. well, what Arnie did. I was too young and too dumb to assign any particular significance to the fact, and I was not scared (I felt so safe in my working place), and the guy wasn't too bad. And nobody could see it. I cannot say I enjoyed it, and I expressed it in clear language and actions, but I wouldn't say I was hurt badly either. Even if I could complain (I mean if it was considered cool to complain about these things) I wouldn't. I mean I wouldn't make a big deal out of somebody's natural instincts.
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Of course, if there are Big Money on the horizon, or if you can spoil somebody's political career with your painful confessions, that’s a totally different matter. :roll:
 
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Originally posted by Mapraputa Is:
What are women for if not to be groped???


That sounds like consent to me. Now I guess we'll just have to wait for the opportunity to arise and find out if I have that kind of nerve.
 
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Now I guess we'll just have to wait for the opportunity to arise and find out if I have that kind of nerve.


Somehow I just don't see that working in Spokane! Maybe in Seattle? Just came back from Sacramento - it's a pastime there. No need for nerve - there is no immediate consequence; the problems come years later when you run against a Democrat. It's seems as though its ok for Dems to play grabass but not Republicans.
Map, could this have something to do with why people ask questions about who your parents are and where you're from as discussed in this thread? A little pre-grabass re-con?
 
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I am so happy to see the LA Times taking a beating over their blatantly partisan conduct during the runup to the election and their obvious attempts to influence the outcome.
Media Backlash Assists Schwarzenegger
L.A. Times Readers Canceling
"Gray Davis, the Dems, S.F. Chronicle, L.A. Times, All "Strike Out""
Rohrabacher: L.A. Times Loses �Total Credibility�
Double standards at the LA Times
"Yes" on Recall, "No" on the L.A. Times
L.A. Times Caught Lying Again: Davis Hack Is Behind Attack
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I'm not sure you could pick a less dubious array of "news sources" than these, Jason. Commentary by arch-conservative journalists on the hateful "liberal elite" media isn't exactly news. Through each of one those NewsMax stories comes the "report" that LA Times subscribers are cancelling "in droves." Numbers? Proof?
Makes more sense to attack shoddy journalism with an example of how to do it right, don't you think? Or do you just like the screaming?
 
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Just wondering... was he voted based on some experience or was he elected just because he happened to be a Hollywood star? Movie celebrities occupying policical offices just beacuse they are movie stars gives kind of a uneasy feeling sometimes.
Anyways, if he was selected/rejected based on what 'he' stands for rather than his stardom, then here's another thought- Those who voted for him would they have voted 'him' even if he were a democrat? And those who voted against him, would they have done so even if he were a democrat, or from some other party or even an individual?
And then would the various newpapers both, left and right, have sung different tunes?
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I'm not sure you could pick a less dubious array of "news sources" than these, Jason.
I suppose I could have quoted the New York Times.
Through each of one those NewsMax stories comes the "report" that LA Times subscribers are cancelling "in droves." Numbers? Proof?
As far as numbers go, those pieces report 1000 subscriptions cancelled. Here's another source though that I suspect may be more to your liking. Same source (SF Chronicle), different story. I don't think anybody has ever accused the SF Chronicle of being anything other than quite liberal.
Here's one from The Washington Post, another bastion of liberalism. They quote and give the link to an LA Times story, which you can read if you feel like registering.

"As of Saturday evening, about 1,000 readers had canceled their subscriptions to protest the handling of the Schwarzenegger story. In addition, the newspaper had received as many as 400 phone calls critical of its coverage -- many angry, some profane."

 
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I have a hard time buying into the whole "liberal media" thing. I suspect that the newspapers in questioned are owned and operated by conservatives who regularly vote republican. They just happen to be radical tree huggers compared to Rush Limbaugh. Of course, almost everybody is a radical tree hugger compared to Rush.
I think "sensationalist media" is more like it. They reported that because it sold newspapers.
I think the only generally liberal media would be movies and non-news tv, Arnie being more the exception than the rule. But those guys are slinging fiction, so I'm not sure it really counts.
 
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The could have also sold newspapers by reporting that Davis violently shook his office assistant. She will no longer work in the same area as him. There was at least one other as well. That would have sold papers as well. But they chose not to publish that story. Why do you think that was Paul?
 
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I don't think there is anything wrong with a political bias (left or right) of a given newspaper or TV network, as long as other newspapers and networks balance it with their own bias. We are talking about private businesses here, and they have a perfect legal and moral right to present a certain point of view. Why are the freedom loving people in America so upset about it?
 
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Originally posted by Eugene Kononov:
I don't think there is anything wrong with a political bias (left or right) of a given newspaper or TV network, as long as other newspapers and networks balance it with their own bias. We are talking about private businesses here, and they have a perfect legal and moral right to present a certain point of view. Why are the freedom loving people in America so upset about it?


Legal right, as long as they aer telling the truth. Moral right? I don't think so. But why are people upset about it? Because professional journalists like to give the impression that they practice their profession responsibly. Institutions such as the NY Times and LA Times have always held themselves out as paragons of professional journalism. By tradition, journaliss are supposed to be unbiased reporters of fact. They are merely supposed to report the news, not shape the news, and certainly not create the news. However, this is exactly what is happening.
The LA Times have given the appearance that they were actively trying to shape the news and influence voters and the course of a democratic election for their own gain. If true, this is a violation of their customer's trust, and extremely immoral. We may shrug our shoulders and say "who cares" because it seems to be just the way things are done these days by the media, but it hasn't always been that way, and it should not be that way. The LA Times and others used to hold themselves out as defenders of truth, "we don't make the news, we just report it". This is no longer even close to being the case, when they are now instead just defenders of partisan policies.
 
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Originally posted by Paul Stevens:
The could have also sold newspapers by reporting that Davis violently shook his office assistant. She will no longer work in the same area as him. There was at least one other as well. That would have sold papers as well. But they chose not to publish that story. Why do you think that was Paul?


You heard about it. It must have been reported somewhere, hm?
 
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Originally posted by Michael Ernest:

You heard about it. It must have been reported somewhere, hm?


Yes it was. And it is not my fault the only place you get your information is liberal (LA/NY Times) and didn't run it. It was even covered on national news. If you are asking me to post the link for you, why? So you can dismiss them like you did Jasons' links.
Here is one anyway. If you are inclined, you will look for the truth.
 
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By tradition, journaliss are supposed to be unbiased reporters of fact.
The "traditional" journalism has been losing ground consistently ever since Fox News came to existence. My favorite TV news program is The O'Reilly Factor, where news are not just reported, but analyzed and generously sprinkled with personal opinion of a reporter. The speakers are challenged, and normally the spin from both sides is presented, including the spin of the interviewer. This is what makes the program engaging and dynamic, -- not reporting the news itself, but the bias of the people invited to discuss the news.
Now, I must admit, LA Times is reportedly took a one sided position in its reporting of the recent news, but then again, have you ever heard O'Reilly say a single good word about Hillary Clinton, Jessy Jackson, Eminem, or a woman's right to choose?
If you don't like LA Times, don't read it, -- it's that simple. What's really all this noise about?
 
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Originally posted by Eugene Kononov:
My favorite TV news program is The O'Reilly Factor, where news are not just reported, but analyzed and generously sprinkled with personal opinion of a reporter. The speakers are challenged, and normally the spin from both sides is presented, including the spin of the interviewer. This is what makes the program engaging and dynamic, -- not reporting the news itself, but the bias of the people invited to discuss the news.



Bah, I used to have respect for O'reilly, but the more I watch him the more he grates on me - can't this guy be civil to anybody who doesn't kiss his ass? There's been quite a few times I can remember he just steamplowed over somebody with a valid point over a (unimportant) semantic issue. I switched channels when the spit started to fly.
 
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Bah, I used to have respect for O'reilly, but the more I watch him the more he grates on me - can't this guy be civil to anybody who doesn't kiss his ass? There's been quite a few times I can remember he just steamplowed over somebody with a valid point over a (unimportant) semantic issue.
I have to agree, -- O'Reilly is getting more annoying. But watching the "Factor" is still a lot more fun that the "traditional journalism", CNN-style.
 
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