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Derek Grey
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All of us know that we are about 6 Billion + (atleast on this planet )....any idea which religion's got the largest following???
I can say about India, it's population is about 1.25 Billion and has about 80% Hindus, 13% Muslims and the rest 7% are divided among christians, sikhs etc.
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I'm not sure which is currently the biggest. I think it may still be christianity. But from what I hear Islam is the fastest growing religion, so I guess sooner or later it will be Islam (unless Bush successfully wipes them out, which I'm not advocating just stating)
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Some stististics for you.


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Originally posted by Damien Howard:
I'm not sure which is currently the biggest. I think it may still be christianity. But from what I hear Islam is the fastest growing religion, so I guess sooner or later it will be Islam (unless Bush successfully wipes them out, which I'm not advocating just stating)

Chrisitianity is the largest religion. The myth of Islam being the fastest growing religion is a myth.


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Originally posted by Thomas Paul:
The myth of Islam being the fastest growing religion is a myth.

was double myths on purpose to cancel each other?
Or you meant "Islam being the fastest growing religion is a myth".
that is 'the myth is a myth is a myth' ?


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Maybe there is a religion called the 'Myth of Islam' that is the fastest growing and the other part of his statement implied that all religion is a myth.


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hi fellows,
When we see that what relegion is the largest in the world.Then it is counted by how it grows and what its current ratio,so i think "ISLAM"
is the most largest and most growing Religion in the world.And i think a time came when all of people in the world have only one Religion.That is ISLAM.

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Originally posted by kashif hameed:
ISLAM is the most largest and most growing Religion in the world.And i think a time came when all of people in the world have only one Religion.That is ISLAM.
Most largest? In what way? It certainly does not have the most adherents. It also does not have popularity in the most countries. It also is far from the fastest growing religion in the world.
As to if Islam will become the world religion how do you intend on achieving this goal? What will happen to people who choose not to convert?
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Originally posted by Thomas Paul:

As to if Islam will become the world religion how do you intend on achieving this goal? What will happen to people who choose not to convert?

Mr. Hameed post was is not very clear.
Since he used the past tense "came" maybe that he was referring to the past and not the future.
If he referred to the past was he said is correct from Islamic Theology point of view as -FYI- muslims believe that Islam is the original religion of man and all the prophets were muslims.
Peculiar, isn't it?


Maybe Mr. Hameed can elaborate his post.
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Nice link Jim.

from this definition of religions
http://www.adherents.com/misc/adh_altrelig.html
I'd say capitalism, but I guess thats in the eyes of an anthropologist, rather than someone whos
Involvement with laws and the broader culture may be present, but is secondary. Primary focus is their own membership.

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Originally posted by Thomas Paul:
It also is far from the fastest growing religion in the world.

I think, it might be the fastest growing religion.
But that doesn't mean that more and more people are following that religion. It is mainly driven by the higher birth rates among that community.
[ October 10, 2003: Message edited by: Mani Ram ]

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Originally posted by Mani Ram:

I think, it might be the fastest growing religion.
But that doesn't mean that more and more people are following that religion. It is mainly driven by the higher birth rates among that community.

There are actually quite a few religions ahead of it as far as rate of growth. The Sikh religion probably leads there although Wiccans claim that title for the USA. Mormons also claim that title although the SDA church claims the Mormons are wrong and they are the fastest growing religion. But they are all worng. In the US, the fastest growing religion is Atheist and Agnostic.
Amazingly, virtually every Islamic web site makes this same claim with no evidence to back it up. They even claim that Islam is the number two religion in the US. In fact, it doesn't even rate it's own category but is lumped in with "other". 84% of the US is Christian. About 2% Jewish. 10% identify themselves as "no religion". The remaining 4% are assorted Buddhists, Moslems, Hindus, Unitarians, and Wiccans etc. Moslems are probably around a half of one percent of the total US population.
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Hinduism is NOT the fastest growing religion, and I am happy about it! What's the big deal with religion? As long as other religious communities don't hassle me for following Hinduism, I can't care less!


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I think, it might be the fastest growing religion.
But that doesn't mean that more and more people are following that religion. It is mainly driven by the higher birth rates among that community.

???
If a religion is getting an increasing number of followers due to its birth rate, this does mean more and more people are following it. It doesn't mean that people are necessarily converting to it from other religions though - perhaps that's what you meant?
I couldn't find any good statistics on comparative growth rates. Most sites that talk out this cite widely differing figures, and the sites themselves (that I found) seem to be extremely partisan, determined to show that their won religion is dominant. I'm not going to bother citing the sources I found, as I don't trust any of them, on either side. But if someone else can find somehting that looks reasonably unbiased, please share it here.
On important caveat though when talking about growth rate: it seems there are at least 3 obvious ways to define this, which can lead to rather different results:
  • absolute growth: total increase in number of believers per year.
  • market share growth: change in the percentage of world population which follows a particular religion
  • relative growth: absolute growth divided by current size of that religion

  • The first two should yield comparable results - that is, if religion A is ahead of B in absolute growth, then A will also be ahead of B in market share growth. But we must be careful mixing absolute growth with market share. Let's say religion A is increasing in absolute terms, and B is decreasing in market share. Does that mean A is doing better than B? Not necessarily, because the world population keeps growing. It's possible that A is also losing market share while still having positive absolute growth. So beware - absolute gorwth and market share do correlate, but they're still a bit different.). However when we look at relative growth, we can get vastly different results from the other two, since small religions can show very large relative growth while having samll absolute growth. When Muslim or Christian sites talk about their big groth rates, they're most likely talking about absolute or market share; when Tom mentions Sikhs, Wiccans, and others he's probably looking at relative growth rates. I think it's important to pay attention to this distinction when comparing big religions to small ones.
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    Originally posted by Jim Yingst:

    If a religion is getting an increasing number of followers due to its birth rate, this does mean more and more people are following it. It doesn't mean that people are necessarily converting to it from other religions though - perhaps that's what you meant?

    Only after reading this comment, I realized how ambiguous was my statement. Yes, you are right. (I should proof-read my responses )
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    Originally posted by Jim Yingst:
    Some stististics for you.

    Jim,
    Excellent site on this subject.
    I am surprised and also happy to know that the number of the Secular/NonReligious/Atheist community is so large. If that keeps increasing, many people are going to go out of work though
    Another statistic that surprised me was the low number in the Chinese Traditional Religion. With a population of over 1.5 Billion I wonder who's the majority out there.
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    Originally posted by San Tiruvan:

    Another statistic that surprised me was the low number in the Chinese Traditional Religion. With a population of over 1.5 Billion I wonder who's the majority out there.

    Traditional Religion: Does it mean Confucianism? Or Taoism? Or something else?
    But I guess, most of the people from China are atheists. Not sure.
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    See the footnotes:
    ... "Chinese traditional religion" is meant to categorize the common religion of the majority Chinese culture: a combination of Confucianism, Buddhism, and Taoism, as well as the traditional non-scriptural/local practices and beliefs. For most religious Chinese who do not explicitly follow a different religion such as Islam or Christianity, these different ancient Chinese philosophies and traditions form a single, seamless composite religious culture and worldview.
    Communist laws banning most religion and recent rapid changes introducing increasing openness make accurate estimates difficult to obtain. Recent figures for the number of "Chinese religionists" include 220 and 225 million.
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    Several people have listed aetheism as a religion.
    It is not a religion. It is people who do not believe in religion and God.
    agnosticism is also not a religion.
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    Well, duh.
    I suppose that when statistics like this are compiled, we atheists and agnostics could be listed as "Religion: n/a" if you prefer. So what? That just immediately begs the question "what does n/a mean?" (It's "not applicable" for those of you who hadn't seen that abbreviation before.) Saying "atheist" or "agnostic" is a nice expedient way of communicating one's general stance on the issue. Are we expected to carefully point out "gee, we're not really a religion" every time someone asks what religion we are? If someone asks, I'm content to just answer "atheist". I don't really care whether the questioner considers that a religion or not; it's what I believe, and it's as good an answer they're likely to get unless they buy me a beer. (Well, unless they're cute and female.) Shouldn't such a response be considered self-explanatory?
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    Originally posted by Jim Yingst:
    Well, duh.
    I suppose that when statistics like this are compiled, we atheists and agnostics could be listed as "Religion: n/a" if you prefer. So what? That just immediately begs the question "what does n/a mean?" (It's "not applicable" for those of you who hadn't seen that abbreviation before.) Saying "atheist" or "agnostic" is a nice expedient way of communicating one's general stance on the issue. Are we expected to carefully point out "gee, we're not really a religion" every time someone asks what religion we are? If someone asks, I'm content to just answer "atheist". I don't really care whether the questioner considers that a religion or not; it's what I believe, and it's as good an answer they're likely to get unless they buy me a beer. (Well, unless they're cute and female.) Shouldn't such a response be considered self-explanatory?
    [ October 11, 2003: Message edited by: Jim Yingst ]

    Yes that is true, but I don't like being categorized with silly people (unless they are cute and female)
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    Originally posted by Damien Howard:
    Yes that is true, but I don't like being categorized with silly people (unless they are cute and female)

    Geroge Washingotn was silly? Albert Einstein was silly? Winston Churchill was silly? But Stalin wasn't.
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    Quote: "A Gallup poll in 1999 asked American voters the following question: "If your party nominated a generally well-qualified person for president who happened to be an X would you vote for that person?" X took on the following values: Catholic, Jew, Baptist, Mormon, black, homosexual, woman, atheist. Six out of the eight categories secured better than 90 percent approval. But only 59 percent would vote for a homosexual, and just 49 percent would vote for an atheist."
    http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/11.10/view.html?pg=2

    As a reciprocal courtesy... Somebody told a story how during Soviet times a Baptist woman was denied cleaning job in kinder garden. The manager said, "How can we let her be around children if she believes in God"? No kidding. There wasn't even anything political in this reaction, I mean there was no need for the Communist Party to deny this woman a job, it's just all we heard about Baptists was that they perform weird rituals and occasionally burn themselves and their kids alive (that could be another confession, but what's the difference really, they all are believers). What sane person would let any of these freaks to approach a kinder garden?
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    it's just all we heard about Baptists was that they perform weird rituals and occasionally burn themselves and their kids alive

    ...Good Heavens...is that true???...
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    That they burn themselves or that it was all we heard about them?
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    Originally posted by San Tiruvan:
    ...Good Heavens...is that true???...
    No. But I heard that Hindu women burn themselves to death at their husband's funeral. Is that true?
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    Originally posted by Thomas Paul:
    No. But I heard that Hindu women burn themselves to death at their husband's funeral. Is that true?

    No.
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    Originally posted by Thomas Paul:
    No. But I heard that Hindu women burn themselves to death at their husband's funeral. Is that true?

    Thomas,
    Yes, that WAS true in some communities not of all the Hindu communities (There are more than a hundred Hindu communities), it would be wrong to say that Hindu's practiced it. Infact it would be the same as saying that all Christians practiced killing themselves and their kids (but it was only the Baptists...right?). Ofcourse needless to say it isn't practiced anymore.
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    Infact it would be the same as saying that all Christians practiced killing themselves and their kids
    I believe that was Thomas' point.
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    As to if Islam will become the world religion how do you intend on achieving this goal? What will happen to people who choose not to convert?

    Tom, where have you been since Munich in 1972? Their plan is to KILL all non-conformists! Murder is their MO! So, what would it matter if there were only two Islamists left: they would be the largest; and if they were male and female procreating - they would be the fastest growing as well; that is if they didn't kill themselves first .
    Islam is a living example of Newton's Second Law - ENTROPY.
    But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you; Acts 3:14


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    Islam is a living example of Newton's Second Law - ENTROPY.
    F = ma?
    Perhaps you should knock off generalizations about all of Islam and study basic physics instead. :roll: We really don't need the flames to be fanned here, thank you.
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    Oh well.
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    Originally posted by Donald R. Cossitt:

    Tom, where have you been since Munich in 1972? Their plan is to KILL all non-conformists! Murder is their MO! So, what would it matter if there were only two Islamists left: they would be the largest; and if they were male and female procreating - they would be the fastest growing as well; that is if they didn't kill themselves first .
    Islam is a living example of Newton's Second Law - ENTROPY.
    But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you; Acts 3:14


    Once again....generalizing people based on their race, religion or on any other basis is "stupidity in action". There is no dearth of religious fanatics/freaks in every religion but then again there is no dearth of moral and ethical people in those religions either.
    For crying out loud if u believe in God can't you see the pains he's taken in creating each of us different (6 Billion of us and we all look different).
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    DC:Islam is a living example of Newton's Second Law - ENTROPY.
    Oh, yeah, I remember that: an apple fell from the tree down to Newton's head and he exclaimed, "Eureka! Gravitation is accelerated motion and it is caused by the curvature of space! Let it be the second law of thermodynamics!"
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    Speaking about Islam, I found this today:
    Why Americans are so Blind
    It's mostly about Palestinians vs. Israelis conflict, but some things have broader scope.

    ... Islam is a completely different matter.
    It is a universal religion, not confined to a single race. It is growing and represents a threat to Christianity. Christians know that Islam reduces Christ to a prophet. Christians don't look on it as just another religion; they see Islam as an heretical sect of Judaism and Christianity--which is much worse. Americans fear and loath Islam all the more because they've encountered it primarily in the context of the Israeli-Arab conflict. Unfortunately, Americans generally don't actually know any Muslims so that they might realize that they're humans also.
    ... They've become convinced instead that Arabs are inherently violent and untrustworthy. They have mistaken a symptom of a moral disorder for the cause. Arabs are not violent people in general. By any measure, there is far less violence in their societies than in America. The Palestinians are fighting for their freedom against an implacable enemy. The Palestinians have suffered much, much more at the hands of the Israelis than the American colonists ever did from the British, yet Americans celebrate their violent struggle against the occupying British.

    The author is apparently an American, "Having been raised in a typical American Protestant family, I believe I can shed some light on this issue. I was once there myself". Can somebody confirm or debunk his theses?
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    ... Islam is a completely different matter.
    It is a universal religion, not confined to a single race.

    This line made no sense at all to me until I read the original context, which is contrasting Islam to Judaism specifically. Still not sure I buy it though.
    It is growing and represents a threat to Christianity. Christians know that Islam reduces Christ to a prophet.
    As opposed to say Hinduism or Buddhism, or various other religions in which Christ has no special status? (Or much less than he has under Christianity?)
    Christians don't look on it as just another religion; they see Islam as an heretical sect of Judaism and Christianity--which is much worse.
    So why don't Protestants and Catholics feel this way about Mormons then? I mean, it's not as though these groups get along perfectly well, no. But if the author's thesis were true, Protestants and Catholics would have much more suspicion & distrust of Mormons than they do, I think.
    Americans fear and loath Islam all the more because they've encountered it primarily in the context of the Israeli-Arab conflict.
    That, and the context of world terrorism in general.
    Unfortunately, Americans generally don't actually know any Muslims so that they might realize that they're humans also.
    This part I agree with. That is, it's far from the only issue at hand - but I do believe if more Americans knew more Muslims personally, there would be more trust in general.
    Ultimately, I think US attitudes towards Islam have a lot more to do with the perceived Islam <-> terrorism link, and the fact that most Americans just don't know any Muslims, than with the other religious reasons put forward by the author. Could be wrong of course...
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    Originally posted by Thomas Paul:
    As to if Islam will become the world religion how do you intend on achieving this goal? What will happen to people who choose not to convert?

    The usual means religions employ to make themselves the only religion is by killing anyone who doesn't see reason under a red hot poker.
    Islam is the exception to the rule in that they kill themselves as well (it's called suicide bombers, a linear descendent from the original Hashishim who led to the word assassin and were fully expected to perrish in the execution of their execution).


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    Originally posted by Damien Howard:
    Several people have listed aetheism as a religion.
    It is not a religion. It is people who do not believe in religion and God.
    agnosticism is also not a religion.

    In its strictest form atheism means religiously believing (rather than trying to ascertain via scientific means) in the non-existence of deities.
    Therefore it is indeed a religion (though atheists would never acknowledge that).
    As Terry Pratchett has one god say: an atheist is almost as good as a believer. They believe so fervently in My non-existence they almost believe I exist.
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    If you cannot say "I believe in a Deity/God/Supreme Being" then you are an atheist. If you are not a theist, then you are an atheist.
    Well, no. Agnostics say exactly the same thing and they aren't atheists. An atheist takes the positive belief that God does not exist. It is a faith in that sense. An agnostic says that there is no evidence either way so they neither believe nor disbelieve.
    Although the article tries to make a difference between "believing that a thing does not exist, and simply lacking belief in it's existence" there really is no difference. They say that god can not exist but that is a faith because they have no scientific basis to say that the existence of god is impossible. 100 years ago the theories of quantum physics would have been cast aside as absurd.
    He then goes through a litany of "beliefs" that he seems to think all religions have. But many religions have none of those beliefs that he lists.
    I would say the the author of that article is a man of great faith that he is right. Too bad his faith blinds him to the truth.
    Agnostic - a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and prob. unknowable; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god.
    Atheist - one who denies the existence of God.
     
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