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John Smith
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"Kill Bill, Vol. 1" is in the theater near you. Interesting reflection of common sense that looks like nonsense, and good cinematography. However, I got the impression that after Tarantino tested the limits of the audience and the filmaking in his previous movies, he is hesitant to step over his own limits. Nevertheless, "KB Vol 1" is still worth considering for your movie collection (especially if you like Uma Thurman's toes).
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Jason Menard
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Let me just say that this movie absolutely rocks.
HS Thomas
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Watched a short clip of it.
Kind of like a (Jackie Chan)ne of Green Gables , then ?
Synopsis: Early in Vol. 1 a Mountie surveys a grisly scene: an entire wedding party sloshed during a dress rehearsal in a rural chapel. The pregnant woman in the gin-splattered wedding dress is Diana Barry, better known as The Bride. Years later, she awakes from a coma to realize what was done to her, and sets off on a ferociously focused mission. Her first target among betrayers is the Viper known as Rachel Lynde-- the first female boss-of-all-bosses of the Japanese yakuza.
Is Quentin Tarrantino a particularly good actor ?
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[ October 14, 2003: Message edited by: HS Thomas ]
Jason Menard
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Originally posted by HS Thomas:
Is Quentin Tarrantino a particularly good actor ?

No he's not, but he doesn't make an appearance in this movie either.
HS Thomas
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Wasn't Reservoir Dogs directed by him ?
"the movie provides a showcase for a terrific ensemble of actors: Harvey Keitel, Tim Roth, Steve Buscemi, Michael Madsen, Christopher Penn, and Tarantino himself, offering a fervent dissection of Madonna's "Like a Virgin" over breakfast."
He acts sometimes.
Pretty bad-ass acting.
The clip of Kill Bill looked quite cool.Uma Thurman's had something done to her lips. She used to look as though someone had slashed through her lips.It would have been appropriate for this film.
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James Swan
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Very cool film, saw it last night, damn I'm even tempted to go see it again
HS Thomas
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Quentin Tarrantino has set out to "make the shallowest most frivolous film of his career and triumphantly succeeded".
A man's head is repeatedly slammed in a door; a man's tongue is bitten clean off, an Achilles tendon is slashed through with a knife, arms are cut off and eyes pulled out; a teenage girl weeps blood when a length of 2 by 4 with nails hammered through it is driven into the side of her head; decapitations are multiple. Blood doesn't trickle, it spurts, gushes ,it rains."
And it could have been worse. If Tarantino had indulged "his worst flights of fancy" one sequence would have involved a villain descending into Hell, there to be sexually abused by Minotaurs and centaurs.
QT is OK but no peanut butter sandwiches?
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Richard Hawkes
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Originally posted by HS Thomas:
QT is OK but no peanut butter sandwiches?
I will hide my self-indulgent, miss-informed rage at the levels of violence (that I haven't seen yet) with a veneer of patronising and insincere concern for the Bills of this world. SOme of my best friends are called Bill. I think the title is insensitive and likely to incite violence against Bills. My friends Bill and Bill watched and loved "Kill Bill vol-1" but I feel I have a duty to stand up like a loon and protect them anyway.
... I have to wait till its released here and its bugging me Apparently its bloody as hell and features that cute-but-psychotic girl from Battle Royale. Whoo-hoo!
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self-indulgent, miss-informed rage

That descibes the film perfectly, much better than frivolous.

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Richard Hawkes
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Originally posted by HS Thomas:
That descibes the film perfectly, much better than frivolous.
... but you've only seen the trailer!! Are you jumping on my bandwaggon? I need all the loons I can get
Next I'm going to start a campaign against Mel Gibson's "The Passion" because it (probably) portrays sandal wearing hippies as miracle workers, when its quite clear they're just a bit smelly and like having their feet washed alot.
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but you've only seen the trailer

Do I have to see the movie to be allowed to comment on it ?
just a bit smelly

as described by estate agents selling a rising property spot and it wasn't Judae , it is in the North of England.
No, my comment was more about the breeding of a certain kind of character vs peanut butter sandwiches.
These are the kinds of issues you have to make your mind up about if you have interests in raising "little" ones.
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Richard Hawkes
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Originally posted by HS Thomas:
Do I have to see the movie to be allowed to comment on it ?
Of course not, in fact if you want any chance at all of joining my Loon Army, I'd have to insist you never see a film you comment on
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I'd have to insist you never see a film you comment on


My information source was a newspaper. I wouldn't particularly want to pay to see the film and then throw up. See I was raised on peanut butter sandwiches.
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Richard Hawkes
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Originally posted by HS Thomas:
I wouldn't particularly want to pay to see the film and then throw up.
They'll probably cut all the interesting bits out over here (Korea) so I won't be puking We've hijacked this thread and neither of us have seen the film!
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They'll probably cut all the interesting bits out over here (Korea) so I won't be puking

North Korea ?
[ Quoting from my newspaper ]
Survival cannibalism still goes on wherever there are severe shortages of food. In North Korea - where a series of poor harvests and a big cut in International aid has brought the population to starvation - there have benn reports of children being killed and eaten.
"Pieces of special meat are displayed on straw mats for sale" said a N. Korean refugee recently. "People know where they come from , but they don't talk about it."
Russia has experienced something of an epidemic of cannibalism in recent years. Police estimate that in recent years at least 30 people were killed for food.
Nor are Westerners above such things: some new age enthusiasts have taken to consuming the placenta of their newborn.
Hmmm. Perhaps this will compensate for hijacking the thread. I've completely lost the sandwich.
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A man's head is repeatedly slammed in a door; a man's tongue is bitten clean off, an Achilles tendon is slashed through with a knife, arms are cut off and eyes pulled out; a teenage girl weeps blood when a length of 2 by 4 with nails hammered through it is driven into the side of her head; decapitations are multiple. Blood doesn't trickle, it spurts, gushes ,it rains
Is that a positive or a negative review? Look, violence in "Kill Bill" is not for the sake of violence, -- it's a parody, a comics, a mental reflection, a ridicule, a look at violence itself.
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Eugene, do you mean like Monty Python but just with lots more blood ?

Is that a positive or a negative review? Look, violence in "Kill Bill" is not for the sake of violence, -- it's a parody, a comics, a mental reflection, a ridicule, a look at violence itself.

Depends on the answer to the above.
I don't remeber MP described as frivolous in any review.
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Jason Menard
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Originally posted by Eugene Kononov:
Is that a positive or a negative review? Look, violence in "Kill Bill" is not for the sake of violence, -- it's a parody, a comics, a mental reflection, a ridicule, a look at violence itself.

One of the interesting facets of the movie was how the style of violence shifted throughout various parts of the film. I would describe the violence in the Japan portion of the film to be anime inspired, whereas violence in other parts of the film is more traditional Tarantino fare.
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Haven't seen the movie.
Question for those that saw both Kill Bill and Pulp Fiction: Does this movie resemble the pilot Mia Wallace was in?
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Originally posted by Steve Chernyak:
Haven't seen the movie.
Question for those that saw both Kill Bill and Pulp Fiction: Does this movie resemble the pilot Mia Wallace was in?

It doesn't seem to.
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I needed a reminder of Python frivolity : Boy, weren't they great.
Some of Oxford's finest.
Monty Python
""There is no cannibalism in the British navy, absolutely none, and when
I say none, I mean there is a certain amount." - Sir John Cunningham"
with some excellent WAV files.


I am not the Bloody Messiah.
"Bring out yer dead!" (35KB)
Black Knight: "I'm invincible!"
Arthur: "You're a looney." (33 KB)
Arthur: "Look, you stupid bastard, you've got no arms left!" (30 KB)
"It's just a flesh wound." (14k)
Dennis: "Listen... strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government." (62KB)
Dennis: "Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony."
Arthur: "Be quiet!" (87KB)
"I feel happy! I feel happy! Uhhhh!" (59k)
French: "Go and boil your bottoms, sons of a silly person!" (45KB)
French: "Pfffffffffffffft pfft pfft snort!" (58k)
French: "I fart in your general direction!" (33KB)
French: "Your mother was a hamster and your father smelled of elderberries!" (60KB)
French: "Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time." (39KB)
Arthur: "Good idea, oh Lord!"
God: "Course it's a good idea!!" (34k)

regards
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John Smith
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SC: Haven't seen the movie. Question for those that saw both Kill Bill and Pulp Fiction: Does this movie resemble the pilot Mia Wallace was in?
Well, replace a $5 milkshake with saki, foot massage with toe fetish, and "Girl, you'll be a woman soon" with "Bang Bang, my Baby Shot Me Down", and yeah, I guess it's the same.
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Originally posted by Eugene Kononov:

Is that a positive or a negative review? Look, violence in "Kill Bill" is not for the sake of violence, -- it's a parody, a comics, a mental reflection, a ridicule, a look at violence itself.

Agreed. The spraying of blood in particular was intentionally not realistic. Anyone remember the Monty Python sketch "'Salad Days' directed by Sam Peckinpah"? I kept coming back to that as limbs were flying and cherry-hi-c-like-blood flowed as if from garden sprinklers.


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Lyrical scene of boys in white flannels and girls in pretty dresses frolicking on a lawn to the accompaniment of a piano played by one of the boys.)
'SALAD DAYS - DIRECTOR SAM PECKINPAH'
(The boys and girls cease frolicking and singing. Lionel enters holding a tennis racket.)
Lionel: Hello everybody.
All: Hello Lionel.
Lionel: I say what a simply super day.
All: Gosh yes.
Woman: It's so, you know, sunny.
Lionel: Yes isn't it? I say anyone for tennis?
Julian: Oh super!
Charles: What fun.
Julian: I say, Lionel, catch.
(He throws the tennis ball to Lionel. It hits Lionel on the head. Lionel claps one hand to his forehead. He roars in pain as blood seeps through his fingers.)
Lionel: Oh gosh.
(He tosses his racket out of frame and we hear a hideous scream. The camera pans to pick up a pretty girl in summer frock with the handle of the racket embedded in her stomach. Blood is pouring out down her dress.)
Girl: Oh crikey.
(Spitting blood out of her mouth she collapses onto the floor clutching at Charles's arm. The arm comes off. Buckets of blood burst out of the shoulder drenching the girl and anyone else in the area. He staggers backwards against the piano. The piano lid drops, severing the pianist's hands. The pianist screams. He stands, blood spurting from his hands over piano music.
The piano collapses in slow motion, shot from several angles simultaneously as per 'Zabriskie Point '. Intercut terrified faces of girls screaming in slow motion. The piano eventually crushes them to death; an enormous pool of blood immediately swells up from beneath piano where the girls are. We see Julian stagger across the frame with the piano keyboard through his stomach. As he turns the end of the keyboard knocks off the head of a terrified girl who is sitting on the grass nearby. A volcanic quantity of blood geysers upwards. Pull out and upward from this scene as the music starts again.)
(Cut to Apology)

Oh!OK I might be bribed to see Kill Bill.
1st Voice Over: (and Roller Caption) 'THE BBC WOULD LIKE TO APOLOGIZE TO EVERYONE IN THE WORLD FOR THE LAST ITEM. IT WAS DISGUSTING AND BAD AND THOROUGHLY DISOBEDIENT AND PLEASE DON'T BOTHER TO PHONE UP BECAUSE WE KNOW IT WAS VERY TASTELESS, BUT THEY DIDN'T REALLY MEAN IT AND THEY DO ALL COME FROM BROKEN HOMES AND HAVE VERY UNHAPPY PERSONAL LIVES, ESPECIALLY ERIC. ANYWAY, THEY'RE REALLY VERY NICE PEOPLE UNDERNEATH AND VERY WARM IN THE TRADITIONAL SHOW BUSINESS WAY AND PLEASE DON'T WRITE IN EITHER BECAUSE THE BBC IS GOING THROUGH AN UNHAPPY PHASE AT THE MOMENT -- WHAT WITH ITS FATHER DYING AND THE MORTGAGE AND BBC 2 GOING OUT WITH MEN.'
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Python's "Grail" Goes Broadway. IMHO "Life of Brian" would have been a better choice.
And it would "seem" that Quentin Tarrantino's movies are for
lovers of cinema (In Kill Bill,70's cinema like Bruce Lee and Gary Cooper (?))as he pays "homage" to them in a certain way. Quentin Tarrantino may have been labelled unfairly.
If I do see Kill Bill ,it will be 'cos I've persuaded myself that it's as "cheesy" and "cultish" as a Python film though you couldn't describe Salad Days as "pushing the envelope". Or I could just enjoy the movie and hopefully wouldn't have to defend that too much.
The Holy Grail of Tarrantino
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I saw it yesterday and only cos it was the least bad among the other movies out in London right now.
Must say , QT's got style. Even though I am not a big action fan , the violence in this movie is pretty stylish and as someone said , more like a comic-book genre.
Uma Thurman kicks ass and so does Lucy Liu's Japanese BodyGuard(The young bird).
For those who havent seen it yet , Go and see it - And if you are courting someone , see it with him/her. U will be holding each others hands more often than in your usual romance movie ; - )
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Just caught this film tonight...
Holy sh*t is this film violent! I jumped right at the intro scene. I also have to admit that the later half of the "hospital scene" left me rather nauseous... cant think of a film thats given me that reaction before.
It isnt like his other films, where theres a lot more dialog and one liners. Theres no big monologue from any of the characters either. Instead theres blood, loads of blood. I was watching it and thinking "Sh*t I hope I never end up getting shot or hacked up like that!". Im not sure if I buy the "the film is a parody of violence" theme, but I didnt like the cuts between colour and black & white filming, and the cuts between live action and animation.
Other thoughts: Lucy Liu absolutely *rocks* in this film. I havent been too hot on the previous characters shes played (see Charlies Angels), but in this film she is one bad a$$ mother(appreciator).
Looking forward to Kill Bill Vol 2. But what do you folks think of the chances of a directors cut DVD edition coming out next year that merges the two volumes into one movie as Tarantino originally intended?
Cheers,
Mark
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Looking forward to Kill Bill Vol 2. But what do you folks think of the chances of a directors cut DVD edition coming out next year that merges the two volumes into one movie as Tarantino originally intended?
I only see vol 1 and vol 2 separately, on two different DVDs. But yeah, would be nice to see it as one piece, as intended.
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Originally posted by Richard Hawkes:
They'll probably cut all the interesting bits out over here (Korea) so I won't be puking
My fears have been realised
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/culture/200311/kt2003110716011811680.htm
The ratings board, however, found nothing humorous about the film and gave it the restricted rating. The board cited the exaggerated cruelty of the samurai code, graphic representations of heads, arms and other body parts being severed and the excessive number of violent scenes in the first half of the film as reasons for its decision.
....
However, Taewon said the total amount of cuts required would only amount to about one minute. They include one scene in which a man�s internal organs spill out after being stabbed by a young woman in a high school uniform.

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John Smith
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Saw Vol. 2 tonight, -- pretty good shit, except for the Hollywood ending, -- Tarantino never stops fucking with your brain.
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I finally saw the original version of Vol-1, complete with decapitations and subtitles for the Japanese sections, though to be honest it didn't really add that much! The film was already hyper cool. A man in the subway sold it to me, 100% genuine copy. Really looking forward to Vol-2
 
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