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Paul McKenna
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Looks like France will be the first European nation to fall..
From Opinion Journal [11/21/2003] -

France in Trouble
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Another low point was reached in France this week when the chief rabbi was forced to advise Jews not to wear yarmulkes in public. It'd be better, said Joseph Sitruk, if Jews donned baseball caps instead so as not to become targets of increasing anti-Semitic attacks. No wonder the Israeli ambassador to Paris has told Israeli radio that many of France's Jews are "wondering about their future in this country." These are further signs that the French government is rapidly losing its grip on a situation that it helped to create.
We say this not with glee, and France deserves sympathy and help as it battles anti-Semitism. The political scientist Pierre-Andre Taguieff is but one writer who's tackled the issue head on, recently penning a book titled "La Nouvelle Judeophobie." He blames Greens, anti-globalists and other leftists for making judeophobia acceptable again.
But France's government, and especially President Jacques Chirac and Foreign Minister Dominique de Villepin, have through their statements and actions contributed to the creation of an environment that is now getting out of hand.
Mr. Chirac and his government have refused to deal openly with the fact that many of the attacks on Jews and Jewish centers are carried out by French Arabs. Some of this can be attributed to France's failure to integrate many immigrants, especially those of the Maghreb. The suburbs where they are dumped have often become concrete nightmares where decent, hard working folks who have come to France to better their lives -- the vast majority of the immigrant population -- must brave gang rapes, murders and drug selling.
But it also doesn't help that Messrs. Chirac and de Villepin's maladroit way of trying to mollify disaffected Arab voters has been to not waste an opportunity to denounce Israel while cozying up to the worst dictators in the Arab world. Mr. de Villepin, according to a parliamentary source who was in the room with him, has denounced U.S. foreign policy as being run by Jews.
Mr. Chirac has, belatedly, sized up the dangers in the situation and is trying to stem the tide. Following yet another attack on a Jewish target last weekend, this time on a school in a Paris suburb that was burnt to the ground, the president said that "attacking a Jew in France is an attack in all of France."
But President Chirac has summoned up this type of rhetoric before, mostly to little effect. Interior Minister Nicholas Sarkozy, one of the bright lights in the government, was due to debate the Geneva-based writer Tariq Ramadan, who's been accused of anti-Semitism, on television last night after we went to press. Perhaps Mr. Sarkozy can grab control of the situation by dealing with issues openly. It is not too late.

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Thomas Paul
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France has always hated Jews.


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Reasons people wear baseball caps:
1)To hide balding
2)To hide wild hair
3)Jew in disguise
stara szkapa
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What surprised me lately is that France has the lowest IQ in Europe.
http://www.geocities.com/dienekesp2/greekiq/index.html
Mark Fletcher
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Originally posted by Thomas Paul:
France has always hated Jews.

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Fairly controversial statement.... evidence please?
Im not French, but if I was, Id be pretty insulted by that.
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[ November 21, 2003: Message edited by: Mark Fletcher ]

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stara szkapa
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Why is that? Jews enjoy being hated, or at least don�t care. Wouldn�t you like to be the hated winner? Lately being a Jew became even fashionable.
Anonymous
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Originally posted by stara szkapa:
Why is that? Jews enjoy being hated, or at least don�t care. Wouldn�t you like to be the hated winner? Lately being a Jew became even fashionable.

No, no, it was Seinfeld made being Jewish fashionable. Also made being lazy, directionless and immoral fashionable. Fine American show.
Thomas Paul
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Originally posted by Mark Fletcher:
Fairly controversial statement.... evidence please?
Im not French, but if I was, Id be pretty insulted by that.
The Dreyfus case... cooperating with the Nazis to round up Jews. When did the French not show hatred for the Jews?
John Smith
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Fairly controversial statement.... evidence please?
Im not French, but if I was, Id be pretty insulted by that.

No need for evidence. Everybody knows that one half of France votes for communists or socialists, and the other half votes antisemitic.
Anonymous
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Originally posted by Paul McKenna:
Looks like France will be the first European nation to fall..

Is this not always the case?
Or perhaps, Poland is first to fall (Germany has slow economy and invades Poland, Germany has bad weekend and invades Poland, Germany has fight with its girlfriend and invades Poland). France is just first to surrender.
Jason Menard
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EU body shelves report on anti-semitism
The European Union's racism watchdog has shelved a report on anti-semitism because the study concluded Muslims and pro-Palestinian groups were behind many of the incidents it examined.
Axel Janssen
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I would spend 100 Euro for a 2-weeks of Thomas Paul, Eugene Komonov and Jason Menard for an adventure trip to the heart of the wilderness (formerly known as France).
Flight New York - Paris - New York 400 Euro x 3= 1200 Euro
hotel, restaurant, other: 150 Euro x 3 x 14= 6300 Euro
total 7500 Euro
74 contributors needed.
Axel Janssen
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Originally posted by Jason Menard:
EU body shelves report on anti-semitism

Lets not forget.
Most of the muslims in EU are from Turkey.

This week Istambul, biggest city of Turkey, was the target of terrorist acts as New York was in September 2001.
Turkish people were deeply shocked by those ruthless attacks against a society in which jews formed a well-integrated part.
[ November 22, 2003: Message edited by: Axel Janssen ]
HS Thomas
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France in trouble - Well , what would you expect from a country that goes and designs another country's flag !
What's more the other country has kept the design.Er, perhaps it didn't - the Italian flag was adopted in 1946. Napolean was supposed to have designed a flag for Italy I am unreliably informed.
regards
[ November 22, 2003: Message edited by: HS Thomas ]
Jason Menard
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Originally posted by Axel Janssen:

I would spend 100 Euro for a 2-weeks of Thomas Paul, Eugene Komonov and Jason Menard for an adventure trip to the heart of the wilderness (formerly known as France).

I've already been there twice. I'm still more than happy to take the trip if anyone is offering though.
Richard Hawkes
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Something about Jews in France:
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=228
Anti-Semitism is a disease from which France has long suffered. The hatred of Jews experienced a drastic rise in that country in the 19th century, particularly during the reign of Napoleon III..."
France was the first nation to emancipate the Jews. During the Second French Empire, ... Jews enjoyed civil rights and liberty. They were permitted to enter the state structure and the highest levels of administration and politics. French Jews became one of the most assimilated and the best-integrated communities anywhere in the world.
Modernization became synonymous ... with Jewry, since many Jews headed the finance capitalism that modernized France...
French anti-Semitism ... became an expression of the hatred of modernity. This hatred was primarily expressed by two camps. The first camp was the socialist Left, which confused its hatred of capitalism with hatred of Jews. The second camp was the Catholic Right, which hated Jews because they weren�t Christians. Catholic anti-Semitism was also the voice of an angry religious community that resented its loss of direction of, and status in, French society. Thus, many rightwing Catholic theorists insinuated that Jews could only be French -- and human -- if they converted to Catholicism.

The current spate of physical attacks against Jews in France come from French-Arabs.
Last year, according to the ADL, 17% of Americans held "hardcore" anti-Semitic views, and 30% of Europeans held "traditional" anti-Semitic views:
http://www.adl.org/PresRele/ASInt_13/4118_13.asp
Of the Europeans surveyed:
30% harbor traditional anti-Semitic stereotypes.
45% believe Jews are more loyal to Israel than their own country.
30% believe that Jews have too much power in the business world.
19% say Jews don't care about anyone but their own kind.
16% say Jews are more willing than others to use shady practices to get what they want.
39% of Europeans believe Jews still talk too much about the Holocaust.
Compared to a recent ADL survey, Anti-Semitism in America, that was released on June 11, 2002,
17% of Americans were found to hold strong anti-Semitic views,
33% believe Jews are more loyal to Israel,
24% believe Jews have too much power in the business world,
16% say Jews don't care about anyone but themselves,
19% believe Jews are more willing to use shady practices.
The question about the Holocaust was not asked of Americans.

[ November 23, 2003: Message edited by: Richard Hawkes ]
Jeroen Wenting
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Originally posted by Axel Janssen:

Lets not forget.
Most of the muslims in EU are from Turkey.

This week Istambul, biggest city of Turkey, was the target of terrorist acts as New York was in September 2001.
Turkish people were deeply shocked by those ruthless attacks against a society in which jews formed a well-integrated part.
[ November 22, 2003: Message edited by: Axel Janssen ]

Not in France.
In France the vast majority of Muslims originate from Algeria and other former French colonies in Asia.
Among Turks in Europe there are far less problems with anti-semitism than with other Muslims.


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Frank Silbermann
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I don't think the Arabs are anti-Jewish per se. They can tolerate Jews, as long as they stay in their place, i.e. subordinate to and ruled by Muslims. They are merely against Jews (or any other non-Muslim) being free and independent -- _particularly_ so in a territory that has already been conquered for Islam. (Sure, they'll be attacks now and then, but it's the Jews' responsibility to please their masters.)
The easy solution to the troubles in Israel would be for the Israelis to convert to Islam and speak Arabic. No longer troubled by a Jewish moral sensibility, they could utterly exterminate the Palestinians and take _all_ the land. The rest of the world, including Arab and other Muslim countries, would ignore it as a purely internal matter, just as they could ignore the tens of thousands of Muslim men, women and children murdered by Saddam Hussein, the Taliban, and others.
 
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