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I am pro-Bush. Are you anti-America ??

R K Singh
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So till now I have been told that anti-Bush means anti-America.
Now what do you say ??
I am stand with Bush for this.
But as some of us has been opposing this so they might be consider anti-Bush now.
Dilemma is that they claim to be pro-Bush from bottom of their heart.
But I am still standing at my view. Anti-Bush does not make anyone anti-US.
And who are anti-Bush, they oppose some of the policies which they think are wrong.
I wish Bush get elected again
[ December 01, 2003: Message edited by: R K Singh ]

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It's standard right-wing nonsense to associate dissent with a Republican president as anti-Americanism.


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Hmm... a political thread.
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Jeroen Wenting
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Originally posted by Michael Ernest:
It's standard right-wing nonsense to associate dissent with a Republican president as anti-Americanism.

Not quite.
It's standard leftwing nonsense to call anything that is said or done by a Republican bad and selfish...
I've seen threads elsewhere where people (mainly Europeans and Australians) openly proclaimed their disappointment that president Bush was not killed during his morale booster visit to Iraq during thanksgiving.
In the past these same people have openly stated their support for bin Laden and his terrorists and that the terrorist acts of 11/09/2001 were just punishment to the USA...


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R K Singh
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Originally posted by Jeroen Wenting:
In the past these same people have openly stated their support for bin Laden and his terrorists and that the terrorist acts of 11/09/2001 were just punishment to the USA...

Please keep away 9/11, OBL and Iraq from this thread.
And still I am waiting to meet someone who supports these horrified acts.
[ December 01, 2003: Message edited by: R K Singh ]
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There is nothing at your link. Page not found.
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Originally posted by Paul Stevens:
There is nothing at your link. Page not found.

I am able to access it.


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R K Singh
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Originally posted by Paul Stevens:
There is nothing at your link. Page not found.

Server might be down at that time.
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Personally, i think you can take much of the politics out of this debate. Anytime party "A" is in the whitehouse, and does something party "B" doesn't like, we have this debate.
The "B"'s say "this is a horrible thing, and it must stop".
the "A"'s say "if you don't support this, you're anti-American". What the issue is, who's in power, DOESN'T MATTER.
not than i'm cynical or anything...
And to go one step farther, the most American thing you CAN do is disagree with your government. Speak your mind, erect a sign, march to Washington, and VOTE!!!
I've disagreed with some policies of every administration i've been old enough to understand what was going on (i'm 35, so that's not many, but i've at least seen both parties in power). i've agreed with some policies of every administration. Intellegent discussion is the best way to learn, understand, and appreciate the issues.
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Originally posted by Michael Ernest:
It's standard right-wing nonsense to associate dissent with a Republican president as anti-Americanism.
Democrats would do the same thing but it is very hard to associate anti-Clinton with anti-American.


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Frank Silbermann
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It's not _necessarily_ proof of anti-Americanism that a person hates Bush. But because there is such a strong overlap / correlation between Bush haters and Americanism haters (even in America) I think hatred of Bush suggests that one probably also hates Americanism, statistically speaking.
I mean, consider two Bush haters, one of who hates Americanism. The anti-American Bush haters says, "I hate Bush -- he's such a cowboy." The non-antiAmerican Bush hater says, "I know Bush is a cowboy, but I hate him anyway."
You see, the Hollywood myth of the cowboy idealized all the virtues that make up Americanism. Those who despise this ideal, by definition, oppose Americanism.
frank davis
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Originally posted by R K Singh:
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Please keep away 9/11, OBL and Iraq from this thread.
And still I am waiting to meet someone who supports these horrified acts.
[QB]

It seems many nations are doing little to help stop OBL or to help others stop him :
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/12/02/un.alqaeda/index.html
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Originally posted by Thomas Paul:
Democrats would do the same thing but it is very hard to associate anti-Clinton with anti-American.

Easy enough to associate anti-Clinton with your everyday muck-raking, win-at-all-costs Republican though, ain't it?
I don't see a clear converse of my little formula for the left. However it's easy to paint the right (to a liberal crowd) as being unable to compromise unless they get everything they want.
Dean said it aptly on the Hardball last night. Republicans rally on concepts: God, the flag, abortion, gay marriage, "stay the course," "a thousand points of light" etc. -- issues that galvanize their constituency at best and polarize them at worst. Most liberals, I believe, think we should be talking about things that "should" matter to everyone: employment, public education, a better quality of life.
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Originally posted by Michael Ernest:
Dean said it aptly on the Hardball last night. Republicans rally on concepts: God, the flag, abortion, gay marriage, "stay the course," "a thousand points of light" etc. -- issues that galvanize their constituency at best and polarize them at worst. Most liberals, I believe, think we should be talking about things that "should" matter to everyone: employment, public education, a better quality of life.

Just a hint of the common liberal belief in their intellectual superiority from Mr Dean there. I notice he left out (at least from your quote) from his list of things that "should" matter to everyone any mention of national security. Hmmm.. I wonder if he considers things like "honesty", "morality", and "integrity" as simple concepts to be ignored, or as "things that should matter to everyone".
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Herb Slocum:
Please keep away 9/11, OBL and Iraq from this thread.
And still I am waiting to meet someone who supports these horrified acts.

See: <blockquote>quote:
Canada's View on Social Issues Is Opening Rifts With the U.S.
... Rachel Brickner, 29, a political science graduate student at McGill originally from Detroit, said that despite her own liberal views, she sometimes tired of the anti-Americanism she encountered among Canadian students.
After the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, she said, an old roommate told her that "the U.S. deserved 9/11 because we're bullies." ...

<a href="http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/nyt/20031202/ts_nyt/canadasviewonsocialissuesisopeningriftswiththeus&e=3<hr rel="nofollow"></blockquote>" target="_blank">http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/nyt/20031202/ts_nyt/canadasviewonsocialissuesisopeningriftswiththeus&e=3
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JM: Just a hint of the common liberal belief in their intellectual superiority from Mr Dean there.
ME: I'll buy that. Fact of the matter is, what makes Chris Matthews (under the right conditions) or P. J. O'Rourke compelling to watch/read is the brass-tacks smarts of their positions. Compare that to the crowd-pleasing throwdown crap of a Rush Limbaugh, among others, and I'd say yeah, the average liberal is surprised when they see a smart conservative.
JM: I notice he left out (at least from your quote) from his list of things that "should" matter to everyone any mention of national security.
ME: That's clearly an issue more important to you than it is to him.
JM: Hmmm.. I wonder if he considers things like "honesty", "morality", and "integrity" as simple concepts to be ignored, or as "things that should matter to everyone".
ME: Just a hint of the common conservative belief in their moral superiority from Mr Menard there.
frank davis
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Originally posted by R K Singh:

Please keep away 9/11, OBL and Iraq from this thread.
And still I am waiting to meet someone who supports these horrified acts.
[ December 01, 2003: Message edited by: R K Singh ]

Seems like lots of Palestinians supported the attack as well as lots of anectdotal reports of other Middle Easterners
http://www.imra.org.il/search.php3?search=celebrat&month=09&day=11&year=2001&month2=09&day2=18&year2=2001&select=specdate&again=yes
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ME: I'll buy that. Fact of the matter is, what makes Chris Matthews (under the right conditions) or P. J. O'Rourke compelling to watch/read is the brass-tacks smarts of their positions
Don't get me wrong, it's clearly a mistaken belief, albeit a common one.
ME: That's clearly an issue more important to you than it is to him.
Me, and I would hazard a guess, most of the country. Which is bad news for the Dems because they are typically so utterly ineffective when it comes to such matters (Clinton for example did more damage to our military and national security than any President this side of Jimmy Carter). I hope Dean becomes the Democratic candidate to be honest, it pretty much assures Bush will be re-elected.
ME: Just a hint of the common conservative belief in their moral superiority from Mr Menard there.
I'll buy that.
Just a note regarding "conservatives" versus "liberals"... Roughly 40% of voters nationwide identify themselves as conservative, as opposed to 20% who identify themselves as liberal, with the remaining 40% considering themselves moderate (source 1, source 2). Democrats, party of the people, eh?
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Originally posted by Jason Menard:
Just a note regarding "conservatives" versus "liberals"... Roughly 40% of voters nationwide identify themselves as conservative, as opposed to 20% who identify themselves as liberal, with the remaining 40% considering themselves moderate (source 1, source 2). Democrats, party of the people, eh?

A point that Rush Limbaugh made about the same poll.. "Its likely that liberals are around 30% since it is very possible that another 10% of the liberals identified themselves as independent because they were too ashamed to admit themselves as being liberal"


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Jason: Democrats, party of the people, eh?
Your "source" quoted Pew poll, so why not to read Pew report itself:
In Pew Center surveys conducted since the Iraq war earlier this year, 30% of Americans identify themselves as Republicans, 31% as Democrats and 39% as independents or other. When that combined sample is winnowed to registered voters, the partisan breakdown is just as narrow 33% Republican, 34% Democrat, 33% independent or other.
http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?ReportID=196

Democrats, party of the people, eh?
So what is your point?


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Jason Menard
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Originally posted by Mapraputa Is:
Your "source" quoted Pew poll, so why not to read Pew report itself:

Because my numbers came from a Gallup poll, not a Pew report.
R K Singh
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Originally posted by herb slocomb:
RK: And still I am waiting to meet someone who supports these horrified acts.

Seems like lots of Palestinians supported the attack as well as lots of anectdotal reports of other Middle Easterners
link

I was talking about meeting personally.
And about Palestinians, even I would not like my country to be taken away by someone in the name of religion.
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A point that Rush Limbaugh made about the same poll..
Rush Limbaugh? He's alredy back to work? Does he still live with his third wife?
BTW, did he say "I think this reason why girls don't do well on multiple choice tests goes all the way back to the Bible, all the way back to Genesis, Adam and Eve. God said 'All right, Eve, multiple choice or multiple orgasms, what's it going to be?' We all know what was chosen." -- or this is liberal libel?
R K Singh
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Originally posted by herb slocomb:

It seems many nations are doing little to help stop OBL or to help others stop him :
link

Though I said keep away Iraq but...
AW first line of the page :
..with Iraq in particular becoming a "fertile ground", the report said.

And it was predicted well in advance.
..this is also one of the reason for being 'anti-Iraq war'.
You know, Al-Qaieda was not in touch with Iraq (at least not like Afghanistan/Arab/Pakistan) and now you know the reality better than me.
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Originally posted by Mapraputa Is:
BTW, did [Rush Limbaugh] say "I think this reason why girls don't do well on multiple choice tests goes all the way back to the Bible, all the way back to Genesis, Adam and Eve. God said 'All right, Eve, multiple choice or multiple orgasms, what's it going to be?' We all know what was chosen." -- or this is liberal libel?

Sounds like him; then again any smarmy low-brow comment would.
It takes a flaccid blowhard like Limbaugh to believe that men would choose differently.
 
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