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John Smith
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I had a dream the other night. It was not in a particular place or setting, and it was not a familiar concept of some event happening. Instead, it was a series of revelations set as metaphors. Here is one such metaphor: imagine that you are in the middle of nowhere and you feel that you are under the obligation to dig a hole in the ground. You don't know who gave you this obligation or why, but you follow it, as it seems natural for you to do. Once you dug the hole, you feel that the natural thing to do is to bury it back, so you do that for some time. When you are done, you feel that you need to dig the hole again, in the same spot, and so you repeat the cycle over and over again. Although you feel that this activity makes sense, inevitably you get bored, as the only purpose that you have is digging the hole, and the ultimate reason is unknown to you. So, you begin acting creative, -- instead of just digging the hole, you make little sand boxes and castles around the hole, and you find a certain amount of satisfaction and purpose in your activity.
This metaphor is about life. Life is digging the hole and burying it back to the ground level, over and over again. The little sand castles around the hole are the entities that people create in their own minds, such as God, science, children, love, patriotism, good, and evil. They are internal to people's minds but have no meaning outside of the mind. Building the castle relieves the boredom and provides an interim answer to the question "Why am I here, digging the hole?". These castles can be seen from the outside of this world, but the ultimate reason just laughs at them. The reason lives in the other dimension, outside of the familiar concepts known to people. Once in a while, someone builds a castle that points to the other dimension, and then the builder crosses the boundary of understanding. These builders are known in this world as crazy people. But sometimes, the castle is built on the intersection of two dimesions, or rather in the concept space that involves both coordinates. These are the people that are known as geniuses in this world.
I guess there is nothing really new in what I saw in my dream, except for perhaps a nice metaphor that makes it a little easier to comprehend what life is all about.
[ December 21, 2003: Message edited by: Eugene Kononov ]
John Dunn
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No way man. I think you were digging a hole because you're guilty as sin and expect to die. Then you thought of repenting and dug it back in and then had second thoughts and on and on and on. The little sand castles you made were just bargaining chips to help you rationalize but it points out that you have a real internal dilemma and are stuck in a state of indicisiveness. Your thoughts of discovering the meaning of life are an "illusion of grandeur" episode that simply masks your darkened inner spirit.
So Eugene, Eugenio, Ivgeny, Oigen, Gino, etc: Why are you trying to avoid this conflict? What is the dilemma you see? Why is the "whole" scenerio immersed in dirt? What is making you feel such guilt?


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John Smith
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No way man. I think you were digging a hole because you're guilty as sin and expect to die. Then you thought of repenting and dug it back in and then had second thoughts and on and on and on.
This would make sense, but the thing is, I was not in the dream. I wasn't digging anything, you see. I just had a dream about how digging the hole can serve as a metaphor for living a life.
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Actually, I think your dream meant that your constant quest for "the meaning of life" is actually as ephemeral as a sand castle, and that by constantly trying to achieve some higher plane you are actually wasting that little bit of time you have on this planet in an exercise as banal as digging and refilling the same useless hole.
Either that, or you like beaches.
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Once in a while, someone builds a castle that points to the other dimension, and then the builder crosses the boundary of understanding. These builders are known in this world as crazy people.
Here are pictures made by mentally ill patients. Thought you might find it interesting, Eugene (no insult intended )


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Joe Pluta
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Hey! I remember hearing this one before!
Run, rabbit, run.
Dig that hole, forget the sun.
And when at last the work is done
Don't sit down, it's time to dig another one.
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Map: Here are pictures made by mentally ill patients.
This one looks like partial birth abortion to me. I wonder what the patient meant.
John Dunn
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Here is one such metaphor: imagine that you ... ~imagine that you~... Hmmmm, in your dream? I bet that 'you' is actually you.
I was certainly kidding before about the guilt mumbo-jumbo. I don't know enough about you to even suggest what might cause a dilemma. You dream could be as simple as "Eugene doesn't like his assignment at work and feels it is rather futile, so he makes the most of it." OR it could be something much more intricate about your life OR all that great in between stuff. etc, etc. There could be tons of interpretations for this depending on whose head is carrying the thoughts.
I have heard that all dreams point out a problem and a solution, however personal and trivial they may be to the dreamer. Also I've heard that the problems in dreams stem from childhood problems. I bet your dream has much more to do with what is going on in your life than as an objective source of the meaning of life. But that doesn't mean that you still can't take a dream and have it become the inspiration for a metaphor on life.
What does this dream mean to you, personally? (please feel free to plead the fifth here too!!)
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Originally posted by Eugene Kononov:
Once in a while, someone builds a castle that points to the other dimension, and then the builder crosses the boundary of understanding. These builders are known in this world as crazy people. But sometimes, the castle is built on the intersection of two dimesions, or rather in the concept space that involves both coordinates. These are the people that are known as geniuses in this world.
I guess there is nothing really new in what I saw in my dream, except for perhaps a nice metaphor that makes it a little easier to comprehend what life is all about.

This idea of digging and filling reminded me of two things at the same time; one, the story of Sisyphus, whose life task was to roll a stone up a hill, at which point it would roll down again; b) and an episode of Gomer Pyle, USMC, in which Gomer is given several tasks, among to move a pile of sand from one spot to another spot 4 feet away, then to move it back.
Both my eldest aunt and my maternal grandfather believe that demanding physical labor build character. I spent one spring in Wisconsin moving dirt across a farm tract in a wheelbarrow. A few years later I spent a few weeks in the Nevada summer doing the same thing with sand and decomposed granite.
Forunately it never occurred to me to record these experiences as art.


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John Smith
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John: What does this dream mean to you, personally?
It means to me just what the dream said. It means that the best way to communicate an outlandish idea is through a metaphor. It means that we can only perceive the ordinata of the world, and we are looking for the explanations on the same axis, while in fact they are along the abscissa. It means that to understand the intent, one must stop being the manifestation of the intent, and meet the intent face to face, using a six sense in a dream. It means that Kurt Vonnegut's chrono-synclastic infudibula is simply a point that involves both abscissa and the ordinata. The observers along the both axes agree on what they see when the point is projected onto their axis. It means that you must have the courage to leap into insanity if you want to invent the wheel or to find the explanation for gravitation.
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