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John Dunn
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uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm hmmmmmmmmmm that's RIGHT!!!


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Oh, that's nice. I like that very much. Love to know how the French press was handling this.


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Paul Stevens
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I think I will wait for more information to come out before I make up my mind. There have been many reports from Iraq that have turned out to not be quite what first was reported.
Thomas Paul
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"The Washington Times". I think I would prefer another source on this before I shout, "Whoopee!"


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Richard Hawkes
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Here's an expanded version of the story from The Independent:
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=485407
If this turns out to be true ... wow, the irony
frank davis
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Originally posted by Richard Hawkes:
Here's an expanded version of the story from The Independent:
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=485407
If this turns out to be true ... wow, the irony

You mean you guys didn't suspect as much? geezzzzzzzzzzz
John Dunn
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I think we need to go after the axis of weasel!!!
Richard Hawkes
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Originally posted by herb slocomb:
You mean you guys didn't suspect as much? geezzzzzzzzzzz
Nah, you see the anti-France lobby were always claiming France's opposition to the war was based on debts owed by Iraq, not on oil bribes, therefore if these new accusations are true, then the anti-France lobby was wrong and should start buying wine again and resume using their tounges when kissing! (how's that for a selective argument )
John Dunn
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RH: ...and resume using their tounges when kissing!
Ohhh... do you mean 'Victory Kissing', by any chance? Don't worry, man, we just renamed that one.
Richard Hawkes
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Plus heads rolling at the BBC and apologies to Blair.
Blair only just hanging on as PM. Its been an exciting week. What next?
Joe King
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On the other hand..... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3443627.stm
SJ Adnams
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is this http://www.memri.org/bin/opener_latest.cgi?ID=IA16004 the story they are talking about?
Thomas Paul
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I think its fairly certain that the embargo was working and that Iraqi scientists were not able to produce WMD but that they lied to Saddam about this. The intelligence community's reporting of WMDs may have been based on the lies that were being told. Wouldn't that be funny. Saddam fell because his scientists were too frightened of him to tell him the truth!
Jason Menard
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Originally posted by Thomas Paul:
I think its fairly certain that the embargo was working and that Iraqi scientists were not able to produce WMD but that they lied to Saddam about this. The intelligence community's reporting of WMDs may have been based on the lies that were being told. Wouldn't that be funny. Saddam fell because his scientists were too frightened of him to tell him the truth!

Unfortunately there is still the question of the known quantity of WMD materials that the UN was aware of when they left in 1998 that remain unaccounted for and that the Iraqis did not produce evidence of destruction. I guess they just disappeared.
Paul Stevens
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More and more information coming out about this. I read in an article the other day that 3 members of the security council want to stop any investigation (France, Russia and China).
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http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000080&sid=a3_wYO8bdfBs&refer=asia
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=domesticNews&storyID=4777770§ion=news
http://www.insightmag.com/news/2004/04/27/World/Investigative.Reportdocuments.Prove.U.n.Oil.Corruption-657739.shtml
John Dunn
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This scandal could be a real noose-ance for John Kerry.

I wonder what the 9/11 commission will say? It somehow must have been Bush's fault.
Don Stadler
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Originally posted by John Dunn:

This scandal could be a real noose-ance for John Kerry.

How so? Has he shown up on the oil voucher list?
Originally posted by John Dunn:
I wonder what the 9/11 commission will say? It somehow must have been Bush's fault.

Now, now. Let's be fair. Some of it is the fault of Cheney, Rice, Powell, Tenet, etc. Nothing can be attributed to people serving Clinton or to Clinton holdovers such as Mr. Clark.
Actually Bill Clinton is a good deal more balanced about this than this election-year commission (and particularly the news coverage) is. Clinton doesn't think it's his fault and doesn't think it's Bush fault. He thinks it's Al Queda's fault. I agree.
Hindsight is 20/20 as we'd know if it weren't election year and therefore utterly necessary to tie this can to Bush's tail.....
Paul Stevens
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Originally posted by Don Stadler:

Hindsight is 20/20 as we'd know if it weren't election year and therefore utterly necessary to tie this can to Bush's tail.....

Like the Bret Favre commercial?
Jeroen Wenting
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Originally posted by Don Stadler:

Now, now. Let's be fair. Some of it is the fault of Cheney, Rice, Powell, Tenet, etc. Nothing can be attributed to people serving Clinton or to Clinton holdovers such as Mr. Clark.

Mr Clark was the one who advised Clinton against taking action against Al Qaeda several times.
He advised the same to Bush and was ignored.
He has a grudge to settle, hardly the kind of person you would expect an unbiassed opinion from...

Actually Bill Clinton is a good deal more balanced about this than this election-year commission (and particularly the news coverage) is. Clinton doesn't think it's his fault and doesn't think it's Bush fault. He thinks it's Al Queda's fault. I agree.

Except of course Billy "the Kid" Clinton will do whatever it takes to spite Bush in public in order to further the goal of putting Curry in office.
Of course it's all Al Qaeda's fault, and everyone will agree to that at least in private.
The problem is that it's all party politics with the single goal of winning the elections for the "democratic" party and therefore the truth isn't what the commission wants to uncover. I doubt they'll stop until some conspiracy by the white house has been discovered (or made up, which is the more correct term).

Hindsight is 20/20 as we'd know if it weren't election year and therefore utterly necessary to tie this can to Bush's tail.....


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Don Stadler
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Originally posted by Paul Stevens:

Like the Bret Favre commercial?

Being a cheesehead I hold Brett Farve to be the greatest man now living. But living in London I confess that I have no idea what you mean....
Mark Fletcher
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Yeah whats this Brett Farve commercial about...? Are the politicians (Reps? Dems?) including him in their ad campaigns?


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Paul Stevens
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Hindsight is 20/20
There is a Bret Favre commercial where he is walking through town and when things go wrong tells the people what he would have done. Broken water main, grocery bag breaking, a hair do things like that.
The commercial is a play on the Monday morning quarterbacking but fits well.
Don Stadler
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Brett is a tasteful guy as we all know. I'm not sure of his other film credits, but remember an ad with him being dumped into a shopping cart and loaded in the trunk of a station wagon. He also starred in Something About Mary, a film I didn't see. But I recall a trailer for the film which showed the effects of a zipper malfunction on a sensitive part.
Real class.
Something tells me he doesn't take himself too seriously....
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http://www.khilafah.com/home/category.php?DocumentID=6423&TagID=2
http://www.payk.net/mailingLists/iran-news/html/2003/msg00126.html
http://www.twf.org/News/Y2002/0813-Bribe.html
http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/iraq/attack/2002/0923pilger.htm

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