I'm taking some time off from MD because I seem to be unable to properly adhere to the MD rules. I'm a bit frustrated, I guess. I feel like the offensive lineman who gets punched by a linebacker, and then punches back and gets flagged because the ref missed the first punch. The things I respond to are pretty flagrant fouls that don't seem to cause a ruckus - someone calls me self-delusional and nobody seems to mind. To be honest, I have a hard time figuring out what is allowed and what isn't, but it's been made clear that my behavior is not allowed. I'm not the type to run to a moderator every time someone misbehaves, and punching back is not allowed. I have to figure out how to play within the rules of MD, and the best way to do that is to just stay out of it for awhile. I'll watch from the sidelines and see if I can see understand what is and isn't allowed. If so, then I'll come back cleansed and refreshed, and less rowdy. If not, then we just have a different concept of what is civil, and I'll stay out of MD entirely. If it turns out to be the case that I'm not cut out for MD, I just want to say I enjoyed my time here and it greatly expanded my view of the world. You've been wonderfully lively folks who never failed to find interesting and unique ways of looking at things. I've been exposed to no end of new ideas which will help me in my life, and I can only thank you all. Joe
Joe, thank you too for your efforts. Even if we don't always approve of their particular form of expression. But I know you put a lot of thought and effort into posting here (as do others) and I appreciate that. Keeping MD friendly is far from an exact science, and we're still working out how best to do that. Sorry it's not always clear where boundaries are. We often see threads where tempers are gradually rising, and we know from past experience that if we don't act to limit it somehow, bad feelings start to pervade all MD, and threatening the rest of the ranch as well. It can be hard to identify exactly where the thread went bad; it's usually a gradual thing helped along by people on both sides of the argument. And fingerpointing afterwards is somewhat counterproductive to our goals after all. Anyway, to be clear: you are still welcome in MD and elsewhere, though some of your posts may not be. The same applies to the other participants from the recent discussion. Perhaps the best general advice I can give for everyone here is: if you're posting something because you're angry at another poster, that's usually a good time to step outside and get a breath of fresh air before you press "send". Or if you'r posting because you enjoy baiting the opposition - well the fresh air may not help much. So I'll just say - don't. Thanks.
Joe: I feel like the offensive lineman who gets punched by a linebacker, and then punches back and gets flagged because the ref missed the first punch. The things I respond to are pretty flagrant fouls that don't seem to cause a ruckus - someone calls me self-delusional and nobody seems to mind. To be honest, I have a hard time figuring out what is allowed and what isn't, but it's been made clear that my behavior is not allowed. Well, I am sorry if you feel that you were singled out, Joe. It seems to me that the trailboss made it clear that he would not allow either "you are self-delusional" or "you are anti-American". Perhaps you feel that the former offense is greater than the latter, and that's the source of your grievances, -- but then the subject of qualifying and quantifying the offense deserves its own thread. It's been a great time and great discussions, -- and I welcome you back whenever you think you are ready to come back. Love. Oh, did I say "you"? Sorry about that. [ February 01, 2004: Message edited by: Eugene Kononov ]
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Oh, did I say "you"? Yes you did, dammit! Can't you ever learn? Oops. Twice.
I said, Hey Joe, where going with that gun in hand?
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HST: Map is expecting to find le Pluta (trying to avoid "you") when she gets back. Don't disappoint her. She thinks she has her "little Map" started on the right Map rails. Absolutely. What did you do to this place when I was out? Since when is Joe prohibited from giving a few punches back? (Just kidding!) Seriously, I am sure we can have even more meaningful discussions if we are pressed to be <sigh> polite and nice to each other.
Hey Joe! You just keep punchin' pardner. I once chummed around with a golden gloves champion boxer; he tells me the 'jab' is the most effective punch in boxing. Maybe you should exchange your would-be knock out punches for those? As far as 'illegal, unseen' punches are concerned: In high school I played Tight End. There was a notorius linebacker who would sucker punch every chance he got. Then one day he jumped high to intercept a pass meant for me. I gave him a legal, very hard hit in the small of the back prior to him coming down with the ball, that put him out of a few games. Every since then he spent more time worrying about where I was on the field than where the ball was... [ February 08, 2004: Message edited by: Donald R. Cossitt ]
Joined: Jun 23, 2003
I think I've devised a plan of action. The problem to this point has been in how I respond to people who don't play nice. When I've gotten privately chastised, it has been as the result of my response to somebody else. My "bad" posts are always in response to someone baiting me (the last time was someone making up statements and attributing them to me). The baiting is not moderated, but my response is deemed unacceptable. Thus the flag after the play analogy. Up to this point, I felt it necessary to respond to the baiting in as strong of terms as possible, and then go on with a reasonable rebuttal. So often my posts would have two parts: the reasonable part and the raucous part. This is not acceptable. So from now on, when I see something objectionable, I'm simply going to note it as such. If the behavior is egregious, I may post a note drawing attention to it (at which point Eugene will say I am "running to the moderators" , but that seems to be the desired behavior in such a situation). In any event, I will simply state in my post that I am not going to respond to the objectionable material, and then go on with my post. It has been made clear to me that it is up to the moderators to deal with the baiters (and some posters here are masters at it ). I'll stick with issues. Those will be my jabs. No hitting below the belt, no rabbit punches, just jabs. And an occasional uppercut . Joe
Joined: Sep 19, 2003
Hi Joe, I know that I have personally you off myself (unintentionally of course)!
"No one knows what it's like to be the bad man, to be the sad man, behind blue eyes."
Or perhaps the difference is unclear. I've noticed that. I've noticed that if something is said that is has even the slightest tinge of not being entirely complimentary of all things Indian, then it immediately gets slotted by some people into "India bashing". The statements against visas were never anti-India, yet some people insisted on taking it that way.
You sure got that right...
Joined: Dec 10, 2002
Who is the Mike Tyson of MD - notorious for using the elbow on the blind side of the ref??
Joined: Oct 08, 2001
Cover your ears, cowboys and cowgirls, 'cause the rules of MD engagement are loose, and Mike (whoever that may be) is swifter than the refs.
In any event, I will simply state in my post that I am not going to respond to the objectionable material, and then go on with my post. It has been made clear to me that it is up to the moderators to deal with the baiters (and some posters here are masters at it ).
Personally I categorize posters in my mind and respond in different ways to different groups. Pure flamebaiters get ignored. They don't exist. Not many of them here. Normal posters posting flamebait depends on the merit of the content. It's not necessary (or even possible) to respond to every slight or ignorant statement. Ignorance comes in vaster quantities than we appreciate. Willingness to learn is much rarer. It's usually best to ignore the personal stuff and respond to the content. Or refer to it wryly and ask whether they really meant that?