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India Election 2004

Sameer Jamal
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BJP(NDA) or Congress or third front
whom do you think is going to win this election, I think BJP as congress top leaders are lacking leadership qualities.
Anyway whom do you vote and support and why ?
Arjun Shastry
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Yes,chances of winning BJP coalition front are much more bcos of 'Feel Good' factor.Congress,Left,JD leaders have done nothing but to attend marriages of sons and daughters of BJP's leaders.Advani is keen to bcome next PM.He is now starting some Yatra across India.Problem with this yatra is he has to create 'Feel bad' factor in some states where BJP-coalition is not in power!!For example in Andhra Pradesh,although there are many suicides by farmers,BJP has to create 'feel good' factor as TDP is with BJP!!People are enjoying the cold war between Vajpayee group and Advani group.


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Pradeep bhatt
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I will not be able to vote because the election dates in Bangalore and my home town is different.


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Varun Khanna
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Originally posted by Pradeep Bhat:
I will not be able to vote because the election dates in Bangalore and my home town is different.

Hey thats an advantage mate, you can vote twice


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Devesh H Rao
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Originally posted by Sameer Jamal:
BJP(NDA) or Congress or third front
whom do you think is going to win this election, I think BJP as congress top leaders are lacking leadership qualities.
Anyway whom do you vote and support and why ?

EC is toying with the idea of having a
1. "None of the above" choice.
2. Declaring the CTC[cost to country as in unpaid bills, rents etc] of a politician who stands for elections.

if implemented it could really would help in cleaning up politics in india.
the following advantages come to mind immediately.
1. Onus is on parties to select better candidates as now all the candidates can be rejected.
2. The candidates who stand for elections cannot win unopposed as in somecases where a candidate would brow beat all his opposition to stand down in his/her favour. Now even if he/she does that he/she may still lose.
so a candidate will win only if he is acceptable to the people.
3. Do away with the TINA[There is no alternative] factor.
4. A candidate will not be able to take his constituency for granted and will need to nurtue it through out the term instead of the just the tours made during elections.
5. I will get a choice to vote for. uptill now i really didnt have any column/ button to press on the ballot/EVM. now i know atleast my standing in line wont go waste.
[ March 04, 2004: Message edited by: Devesh H Rao ]
Pradeep bhatt
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Originally posted by Varun Khanna:

Hey thats an advantage mate, you can vote twice

I have to take a day off.
sunitha reghu
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Make sure that week is not JR book promotion week
Pradeep bhatt
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Originally posted by sunitha raghu:
Make sure that week is not JR book promotion week

I am not winning book of late. Out of form
Pradeep bhatt
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BJP is recruting film stars heavily.
Paul McKenna
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Does anyone know the procedures for mail-in ballots? If you have a link, could you please post it here..


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Balaji Loganathan
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Originally posted by Pradeep Bhat:
BJP is recruting film stars heavily.

Do you they recruit java programmers as well?
Varun Khanna
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Originally posted by Balaji Loganathan:

Do you they recruit java programmers as well?

With onsite opportunity in Singapore
Pradeep bhatt
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Originally posted by Varun Khanna:

With onsite opportunity in Singapore

Yes they onsite opportunities in Indian villages
Pradeep bhatt
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Sameer
Which party are u voting for?
Pradeep bhatt
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Now Congress is started recruting film stars. Good time for film stars. Lot of jobs for them. We should bring a law against film stars joining politics.
Ashok Mash
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Originally posted by Devesh H Rao:

EC is toying with the idea of having a
1. "None of the above" choice.
2. Declaring the CTC[cost to country as in unpaid bills, rents etc] of a politician who stands for elections.
[ March 04, 2004: Message edited by: Devesh H Rao ]

That�s a brilliant idea, IMHO. Candidates will think twice betting their money on elections, �None of the Above� votes would take away their vote share for getting the election fee back. How much is it these days? Rs 35,000/- is it? Also we wouldn�t have situations like �ballet book� with many pages instead of a �ballet sheet�.
Another suggestion I would like to see implemented would be that every candidate should declare his or her total assets and Election Commission officials should verify it prior to accepting their candidature � Also, finding of the Election Commission, should be more than an audit � they should compile a life history of the person in question, and make it available to the general public during the run up to the election, so that they can really select the appropriate person for the job.
Just my tuppence!


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Arjun Shastry
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Another suggestion I would like to see implemented would be that every candidate should declare his or her total assets and Election Commission officials should verify it prior to accepting their candidature
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It should not be a problem for politicians!Most of the time they are poor with very less income but their closed relatives are surprisingly rich!!.There are escapes to these kind of laws for declaring assets[Thats why the breed ,attorneys and lawyers exist).For example Pramod Mahajan's income was 2.5 Lakhs/year 2 years back!!!The person who is close to Ambanis and whose son is commericial pilot is sooo poor!!

[ March 05, 2004: Message edited by: Capablanca Kepler ]
Devesh H Rao
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Originally posted by Capablanca Kepler:
[QB It should not be a problem for politicians!Most of the time they are poor with very less income but their closed relatives are surprisingly rich!!.There are escapes to these kind of laws for declaring assets[Thats why the breed ,attorneys and lawyers exist).For example Pramod Mahajan's income was 2.5 Lakhs/year 2 years back!!!The person who is close to Ambanis and whose son is commericial pilot is sooo poor!!

[ March 05, 2004: Message edited by: Capablanca Kepler ][/QB]

i see it more as a problem coz of the people ourself, we know how corrupt some of the politicians are still vote coz of family,looks,caste or whatever is the reason other than merit.
PM may have declared his income but as we kno he is defn worth more all we can do is not vote for him coz he lied , the only problem is every option that is there on the ballot is the same hence the idea of none of the above looks to be a fantastic one to me.
Sameer Jamal
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Originally posted by Pradeep Bhat:
Sameer
Which party are u voting for?

CPM though my vote will go waste.
Sameer Jamal
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None of u is serious abt elections this is the reason why our politicians get a chance to become more corrupt.
Balaji Loganathan
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Originally posted by Varun Khanna:

With onsite opportunity in Singapore

BJP is the best party in the world
Pradeep bhatt
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Today congress has inducted lot of film stars. Comic Asrani along with Sharad Kapoor, Namrata Shirodkar Celina Jaitley and Mandira Bedi joined Cong.
Congress sources said there could be more. The graceful Sharmila Tagore has shown some interest as has Delhi's latest bahu Karishma Kapoor. There has also been talk of Mahima Choudhary joining the party.

Yukta Mookhey joins BJP.
Looks like film stars need to be in some party. I see a dark future for India.

Arjun Shastry
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Originally posted by Sameer Jamal:
None of u is serious abt elections this is the reason why our politicians get a chance to become more corrupt.

Are you thinking that only politicians are corrupt and rest of Indian janata is honest ? and people are not aware to whom they are voting for? Wrong.From Kanyakumari to Simla,everybody knows exactly whom (s)he is voting for and how is the profile of politician he is voting for.People in Tamilnadu know everything about Jayalalitha and so people in UP about Amar Singh.Our politicians are 100% Indians,no mistake there.!!
Pradeep bhatt
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Originally posted by Sameer Jamal:
None of u is serious abt elections this is the reason why our politicians get a chance to become more corrupt.

We are serious and that is why we are not voting for CPM
Ashok Mash
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Originally posted by Capablanca Kepler:
From Kanyakumari to Simla,everybody knows exactly whom (s)he is voting for and how is the profile of politician he is voting for.

True, I totally agree. Public has various reasons to elect someone they think will do good for them, let it be that the candidate is good looking or has PhD in Economics. I would leave that to them and it basically follows the logic of �one gets what he deserves� kinda thing � Tamils like film stars to lead them, because they do great stuff in the movies, let it be so � but this is where the other idea, of an official audit and report of the background, activities and history of a candidate, by unbiased election officials comes into picture.
Imagine if there was a truly unbiased record of the past of JayaLalitha and other ministers of her government, to compare against that of other candidates, Karunanidhi and others, wouldn�t that be fare? Jaya TV or Surya TV might jump right into digging their past with a biased opinion, but some not-so-biased media group, newspaper or radio channel will let the public know the truth, will print the actual findings as it is � and I believe, that will give Tamil voters a great chance of taking a better educated decision, than voting for someone because he/she has two thousand pairs of shoes!
Well, not that any of these would change anything overnight, but this would be a step in the right direction for a better tomorrow, IMHO.
Arjun Shastry
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Originally posted by Pradeep Bhat:
Today congress has inducted lot of film stars. Comic Asrani along with Sharad Kapoor, Namrata Shirodkar Celina Jaitley and Mandira Bedi joined Cong.
Congress sources said there could be more. The graceful Sharmila Tagore has shown some interest as has Delhi's latest bahu Karishma Kapoor. There has also been talk of Mahima Choudhary joining the party.
Yukta Mookhey joins BJP.
Looks like film stars need to be in some party. I see a dark future for India.

Thats great!Politicians in 60s and 70s should now vacate chairs after elections and these 'stars' should be there in positions.We will save some money of watching movie .What will be the dress code for Karishma,Namrata if they get elected?I am very much excited
Pradeep bhatt
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Originally posted by Capablanca Kepler:

Thats great!Politicians in 60s and 70s should now vacate chairs after elections and these 'stars' should be there in positions.We will save some money of watching movie .What will be the dress code for Karishma,Namrata if they get elected?I am very much excited

There is no difference b/w film stars and politicians. 2 sides of same coin. All stars have links with underworld.
Bhau Mhatre
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Capablanca Kepler---------
From Kanyakumari to Simla,everybody knows exactly whom (s)he is voting for and how is the profile of politician he is voting for.
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Nice twisting of the phrase Capablanca- "from Kanyakumari to Shimla" :roll:


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Kishore Dandu
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I think BJP is going to win.
But, I don't mind watching Priyanka in some capacity on TV.
Can some one post if she looks good/great/passable.
Dan.
[ March 05, 2004: Message edited by: Chris Daniel ]

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Paul McKenna
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Originally posted by Chris Daniel:
But, I don't mind watching Priyanka in some capacity on TV.
Can some one post if she looks good/great/passable.

Oh yes! Priyanka is a babe.. but she is married
Sonia should quit and take her family also out of politics. Enough is enough.. no one in the family has political experience anymore.
By the way, anyone know anything about the "Republican Party of India". I heard about this somewhere.
Kishore Dandu
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I heard some time ago that babe(priyanka) is having some marrital problems. In that case, I don't mind taking the Gandhi Scion.
Dan.
Ranga Sreenivasan
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BJP all the way baby!!!

Heck do we even need a reason for expecting the BJP to win...enough of the Congress as****** and the Left (dead) front...
Voting for the BJP is voting for better times
[ March 05, 2004: Message edited by: Ranga Sreenivasan ]
Paul McKenna
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Here you go.. the babe of Indian politics
San Su
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Originally posted by Paul McKenna:
Here you go.. the babe of Indian politics

Cute.. ain't she??
Kishore Dandu
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She used to be cuter
I guess family life, giving birth to a child, being away from limelight and indian politics are taking a toll.
Dan.
[ March 05, 2004: Message edited by: Chris Daniel ]
San Su
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Originally posted by Chris Daniel:
She used to be cuter
I guess family life, giving birth to a child, being away from limelight and indian politics are taking a toll.
Dan.
[ March 05, 2004: Message edited by: Chris Daniel ]

Don't lose your heart Dan. We can find a better picture for you...
Sameer Jamal
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Originally posted by Capablanca Kepler:

Are you thinking that only politicians are corrupt and rest of Indian janata is honest ? and people are not aware to whom they are voting for? Wrong.From Kanyakumari to Simla,everybody knows exactly whom (s)he is voting for and how is the profile of politician he is voting for.People in Tamilnadu know everything about Jayalalitha and so people in UP about Amar Singh.Our politicians are 100% Indians,no mistake there.!!

For how long this will go on, I mean to say knowing that a person whom you are giving your vote is corrupt and not at all eligible and still you vote for him/her(this is the lack of seriousness about the politics in our country).Why dont people try other options like CPM, can u please tell me why CPM is not better than BJP or congress? I have never seen any CPM candidate having any criminal background or any charge of corruption against them neither there is any Bhand(film star) in the party most of them are very literate and capable persons, you people have certain perceptions about communist which is mostly based upon what you have heard and what other political parties say about them.
Most of you people will also repeat the same thing which peoples from kanyakumari to simla are going to do that is vote either BJP/CONG and think there is no other option but I am not going to do this again.
Sameer Jamal
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Originally posted by Ranga Sreenivasan:
BJP all the way baby!!!

Heck do we even need a reason for expecting the BJP to win...enough of the Congress as****** and the Left (dead) front...
Voting for the BJP is voting for better times
[ March 05, 2004: Message edited by: Ranga Sreenivasan ]

You seemed to be very much influenced from BJP feel good campaign
Kishore Dandu
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Sameer,
CPM ... Daaaa......
That I would consider as a worst kind of option.
By the way what makes you think that BJP is feel good propaganda. How about congress recruiting bunch of movie stars for its own campaigning.
I think there is no good gross roots leaders in the country. That is why everybody is going after movies stars, goondas for their campaigning or political improvement.
Irrespective of all this, BJP at least is keeping the momemtum initiated by PV Narsimha Rao going.
Dan.
San Su
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Originally posted by Sameer Jamal:

kanyakumari to simla

Could we all stick to "Kashmir to Kanyakumari" word instead of our own derived versions, please?... Thank you..
 
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