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Joe King
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So Ireland has now banned smoking in pubs, bars, restaurants etc. To some this is a violation of their right to choose, to others its means going for a drink without a risk of cancer and smelly bad. What do you think? Good or bad?
What about the New Yorkers out there - do you think the similar ban in NY (and elsewhere?) has had a positive effect or not?
Personally, I think its generally a good thing. Smokers make up only a small percentage of the number of people who go for a drink, so it'll be nice for the rest of us to have a bit of a break from coming home from the pub smelling nasty. The one flaw in the non-smoking argument is that if there had been a strong consumer demand for non-smoking bars, then we'd have them already. I suppose the next few months will show if the smoking ban will harm the industry in Ireland.
One interesting thing to see is if this will reduce the number of people who smoke at all. This will be excellent for public health reasons, but not so good for the tax man.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3577001.stm
Jeroen Wenting
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Everyone has a right to a workplace without health hazards or adequate protection to such hazards as do occur.
As adequate protection for toxic fumes and gasses consists of a full face mask and respirator, something clearly impractical for use in pubs (and in fact most workplaces) a ban of smoking in the workplace is proper.
Most companies provide specially equipped rooms for their employees (fitted with air filters etc.) who do want to smoke.


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HS Thomas
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Originally posted by Jeroen Wenting:
Everyone has a right to a workplace without health hazards or adequate protection to such hazards as do occur.
As adequate protection for toxic fumes and gasses consists of a full face mask and respirator, something clearly impractical for use in pubs (and in fact most workplaces) a ban of smoking in the workplace is proper.
Most companies provide specially equipped rooms for their employees (fitted with air filters etc.) who do want to smoke.

An adequate protection of the public from drunk drivers would be breathalisers fitted into cars.It's meant to be used first on convicted drunk drivers, but don't think they'll stop there.
House votes for Ignition interlocks on every vehicle


A Santa Fe distributor and installer of ignition interlocks tells KSFR News that a well-meaning bill that had been discussed in the state legislature may not work. Steve Gallegos manages Santa Fe Preventive Services, a company that has installed interlock ignition devices on cars of convicted drunk drivers longer than any other service in New Mexico. He says a Grant, N.M., lawmaker's bill to install an interlock device on every car in the state would likely cause more problems than it's worth. He says the driver not only has to blow into the device to start the car, but the device requires periodic checks while the car is in motion. That means the driver would have to pull over and restart the engine. And he says the car would have to be brought in for service every month or so, at a cost of $60 a month by today's rate schedule.



#1 - Requires periodic random-timed "retests" while driving, or it sets off your flashers and horn constantly till you do. I can just see someone having to do this in the middle of a driving emergency or having it go off next to someone else who then swerves...
#2 - Periodic retests - it DOES test you while driving. Nuts to the idea of a one-armed person driving then. And the person with diminished lung-capacity would then be lightheaded and dizzy WHILE driving.
#3 - It keeps a log of all times that either (a) you fail the test or (b) your battery is disconnected. When you go in to have your unit serviced (every 3-6 months) those logs are downloaded and kept on record. The designers of the system claim it's to be used for enforcement in cases where someone is mandated this device by the courts - but how long, once it's in place, before the police start rounding up those logs and mail you a ticket for "Attempted DUI"?
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HS Thomas
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Smokers barred from Irish pubs
For a country with Europe's highest rate of heart disease bearing in mind a heart transplant costs about �600,000 , a heart bypass about �50,000 , the law seems fair.
"We have to do something extra, go the extra mile, to get that rate down," Martin said.
Anti-smoking group ASH said smoking kills six times as many people in Ireland each year than road accidents, work accidents, drugs, murder, suicide and AIDS combined.
Within a year British licensing laws will be deregulated to allow pubs to stay open 24 hours a day.
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Jeroen Wenting
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I was wondering what your other post had to do with the topic
Such a system was briefly proposed here too but didn't make it. There's now talk of fitting each car with a radio transceiver, data recorder and GPS unit which will track the vehicle's movement and automatically alert the police when you're speeding (it's promoted of course as a means to automatically track if you're on a tollroad to enable automatic payment of toll, obviating the need for toll plazas).
Ashok Mash
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IMO, its brilliant! I am a non-smoker myself, and you can�t believe how bad your cloths smell the morning after the night before! Now, considering the fact that smokers are a minority in Irish public, and that most of them genuinely want to give up smoking, I think this law is the right thing to do � for someone whose trying to quit smoking, there nothing worse than a weekend night-out where everyone is lighting up!
Great new law, great support from the public here and will have to wait and see how it goes this weekend (night-clubs and all that), fingers crossed!


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Jeroen Wenting
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yah. they tried to implement it here too but the government fell for the lobby of the restaurants and cafes who claimed they hadn't had enough time to implement smoking rooms etc. etc. (the date of 01 January 2004 for the law here had been announced only 10 years ago...) so now you can't smoke anywhere EXCEPT in restaurants and bars .
John Dunn
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As a New Yawker and ex-smoker, I personally love it. Sometimes I step outside while my buddies light up, just to finish a conversation.
I like the fact that I don't have to watch too many folks smoking. Less temptation for me. I'd say it won't be long before every place bans it. Kind of like in the workplace.


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Richard Hawkes
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Originally posted by Joe King:
So Ireland has now banned smoking in pubs, bars, restaurants etc.
I heard a rumor that if this proves successful, there will be moves to ban smoking and drinking from Irish schools and even hospitals!
Joe King
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Originally posted by Richard Hawkes:
Originally posted by Joe King:
[qb]So Ireland has now banned smoking in pubs, bars, restaurants etc.
I heard a rumor that if this proves successful, there will be moves to ban smoking and drinking from Irish schools and even hospitals! [/QB]

What! Even the patients with a Guinness intravenous drip? How will they survive?

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