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Derek Grey
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What a Load of Crap.
Half the world knew he was wrong. So what's he expecting from this confession?
Ignorance, arrogance and power is definetely a devastating combination.
Don Stadler
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Yes?
Your confession, San?
Tony Alicea
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My $0.02:
It is well known by now that Bush wanted to topple Saddam Hussein no matter what. And that excuses were invented so he (Bush) could exact his personal vengeance against the guy who really tried to kill his father, and as important to him, to satisfy the agenda of the most right-wing conservatives of his
party, which agenda doesn't even come close to the American public's.
No, I am not a democrat and I personally think that Clinton was a Draft Dodger who cared more about getting blow jobs at work from young women that could be his daughters, than he cared about defending America, and I also think that president Bush is also a Draft Dodger but he did it in a different way.
I also know that Ashcroft wants to push sectarian religion down our non-sectarian throats and he must be stopped.
Our secretary of defense is someone that says something like "a small bomb blew up in X city. Let's bomb the country whose name I pull out of this bag that has all the names of the countries that I hate"
He's an idiot.
For the second time I am not a Democrat and I am so right-wing in some issues that I wouldn't mind if ... [deleted by me]
But another thing is for top government to lie to the American public because of its secret agenda.
There can't be any more govt. secret agendas in the USA! The govt. works for us! Didn't we learn from the LIES about Viet Nam!?
Am I glad that Hussein is in custody!? YOU BET I AM! Am I glad that he knows we KILLED his sons? YOU BET I AM! I would volunteer to kill him myself WITH MY OWN HANDS if they would let me get away with that. As an aside, I don't believe that all human lives are worth the same. Actually, I opine that it is very foolish to think otherwise.
I was 19 years old in 1969. I could have gone to Viet Nam if it wasn't for the fact that I won the draft lottery. Literally! That was the first year that the draft lottery was instilled and I won it: My date of birth came up 316 out of 365(6). The higher the number the better.
I was in the middle of it. I knew of guys who never made it back.
That in itself is to be expected in a war, but it's very hard to accept in a war that should never had been in the first place.
Former president Johnson (a Democrat) should have been imprisoned for what he did, sending American soldiers to death while knowing that the Vietnam war was unwinnable. HE KNEW THAT MUCH.
As for Kerry, he did much better than Clinton or the other draft dodger current president Bush. He actually did his duty and fought, and as required by his conscience, which was the conscience of America then, he accurately informed us (as a ton of other less well known individuals did) that we should not be there.
I am convinced that Kerry would be a much better President than Bush.
I pray (and I'm almost an atheist) that the American public votes for Kerry this year.
(For more superstition) I invoke the spirits of the Founding Fathers to bestow upon the American Public the Wisdom necessary to accomplish what is right for their Creation!
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Axel Janssen
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... at least a terrible dictator is out of office.
The price was to high:
- lost credibility
- no plan that works for future of people of Iraq
- lots of dying and suffering because of war
Hope that nobody is so stupid to think that european governments who opposed the war were much better. Of course, they had second intentions, too. This war brought Schroeder a second term in office and he used his position in a propagandistic and exagerating way. There are allways second thoughts in Foreign Politics. It will allways be a dirty business in some aspects.
In the last century the USA rescued 3 times democracy in western europe(WWI & II + cold war*). This time it won't bring democracy to middle east.
There must be different politics and it is very difficult.
Its very easy to say that USA is all stupid. I don't like the current US government neither, but even with this I could imagine much worse superpowers.
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Kishore Dandu
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Irrespective of the way he did it: We should commend the courage of President Bush.
Part of failure of intelligence has to do with Clinton's ways of doing things(in addition to doing his personal doings). Clinton totally ignored the increase the threat levels and never pursued them proactively. That indirectly led to 9/11.
At least Bush has the courage(even if long term it may be a little bad for US PR) go about and make his convictions happen, for the good of Americans, I would like to add.


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Jason Menard
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Originally posted by San Tiruvan:
What a Load of Crap.
Half the world knew he was wrong. So what's he expecting from this confession?
Ignorance, arrogance and power is definetely a devastating combination.

I would be interested in hearing of your intelligence connections and years of expertise in the fields of terrorism, weapons of mass destruction, and the Middle East that led you to be so sure of yourself. Ignorant man.. bah. That man has more intelligence, knowledge, and integrity than all his detractors put together, and infinitely more so than anyone here as I see it.
Ernest Friedman-Hill
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Originally posted by Jason Menard:

That man has more intelligence, knowledge, and integrity than all his detractors put together, and infinitely more so than anyone here as I see it.

This is a little over the top, isn't it, Jason? I'm absolutely willing to concede that he can't possibly be as dull as the comics would have him be, but "infinitely more intelligent" than the folks who hang out here at JavaRanch? He was a C student at Yale Law. I know I didn't content myself with a "Gentleman's C" while I was getting my doctorate at MIT, and I'm confident I'm not the only one.
Bush, like all major political figures, is all about the team of people he's got around him; the individual doesn't really count for much. You can certainly choose to admire him for his accomplishments if you like, but please don't deify the guy. He's just a fairly ordinary individual born into money, connections, and power.


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Kishore Dandu
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Originally posted by Axel Janssen:

Kishore, Americans and Europeans lie in bed until 10 a.m. in the morning. Then they get up, dring a glass of orange juice and watch our troops defending our interests in Asia.
You might be a little wrong.
Axel

Axel,
What are you suggesting. You want everybody to enlist in the army and go into the war. I don't think that is possible for the whole nations to be part of their crusade, unless you are in a special situation like Israel(due to their geographic location and population).
I feel everybody here will agree that irrespective of the motive and the way of execution; the Iraq war is good for the human kind, in the long run.
Jason Menard
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Originally posted by Ernest Friedman-Hill:
This is a little over the top, isn't it, Jason? ... Bush, like all major political figures, is all about the team of people he's got around him; the individual doesn't really count for much.

The article is about Powell, not Bush. Therefore I understand the original poster's comments to be directed at Powell... and those comments were over the top.
Jason Menard
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Originally posted by Tony Alicea:
As for Kerry, he did much better than Clinton or the other draft dodger current president Bush. He actually did his duty and fought, and as required by his conscience, which was the conscience of America then, he accurately informed us (as a ton of other less well known individuals did) that we should not be there.

Kerry is a disgrace to the uniform he once wore. I'm ashamed that he served in the same military I did, and to have him parade around his military credentials after what he did is a slap in the face to real soldiers. I have nothing but the utmost disdain for his actions after he quit the war.
And despite the fact that I wasn't a fighter pilot myself (although I worked closely with them for six years) and although I served on active duty, not Guard or Reserve, in my own mind at least I like to think I have half a clue about what such service means, as opposed to having read about it in the New York Times or something like that. Knowing what those people have to go through, the vile insuation that those who chose to serve their country in this manner were actually draft dodgers, like those cowards who burned their draft cards and took their worthless asses to Canada, is in my humble opinion somewhere so far from the truth that it doesn't even really warrant any comment beyond that.
If you have not served, you don't know. People are free to have their opinions, but there's a mountain of difference between an informed opinion and an uninformed one as I see it. I'll probably be harangued by the righteous guardians of liberalism for having a strong opinion on this, but that's just my own take on the topic (I must remember to check those PMs).
Tony Alicea
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Calm down , Jason.
You are wrong and I am right. (As always).
Bush and his Triumvirate WILL go!
stara szkapa
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Originally posted by San Tiruvan:
Half the world knew he was wrong. So what's he expecting from this confession?

I'm afraid most Americans belong to the second half. If this is true, are Americans exporting democracy with or without brainwash?
Jason Menard
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Besides raising taxes and kowtowing to the UN, what is it exactly that Kerry stands for?
Paul McKenna
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Drat! You must be a US citizen to contribute to the Bush-Cheney re-election fund.


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Jason Menard
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Originally posted by Paul McKenna:
Drat! You must be a US citizen to contribute to the Bush-Cheney re-election fund.

That's odd, seeing as the Chinese contributed greatly to Clinton's campaign.
Ernest Friedman-Hill
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Originally posted by Jason Menard:

The article is about Powell, not Bush. Therefore I understand the original poster's comments to be directed at Powell...

Sorry. Damn hair-trigger knee...
Michael Yuan
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Originally posted by Jason Menard:
Besides raising taxes and kowtowing to the UN, what is it exactly that Kerry stands for?

Well, for me personally, Kerry stands for the economic security of this country -- as opposed to the irresponsible big spender in the WH today. If Kerry wins, he at least knows that you need to raise tax to pay for that $87 Billion in Iraq. The current president would simply let our children to pay for it and put the economic security of this country in the hands of overseas US bond holders. How patriotic!
If Kerry wins, I would be happy to pay more tax knowing it will go to less privileged Americans who need it. In the meanwhile, I will use all the "tax savings" Bush gave me to help put him (and his religion) out of the office.
But since I live in Texas, my opinion probably does not count anyway.


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Axel Janssen
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Originally posted by Kishore Dandu:

I feel everybody here will agree that irrespective of the motive and the way of execution; the Iraq war is good for the human kind, in the long run.

We do have different interpretations about the meaning of Iraq war.
If this mess leads to more doubts regarding those who own the truth because their most phonktiest

years of expertise in the fields of terrorism, weapons of mass destruction, and the Middle East

, yes it will be good for human kind.
There are different truths and somehow we have to live with each other.
Axel
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If Kerry wins, I would be happy to pay more tax knowing it will go to less privileged Americans who need it.
You mean illegal aliens?


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Michael Yuan
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Originally posted by Thomas Paul:
If Kerry wins, I would be happy to pay more tax knowing it will go to less privileged Americans who need it.
You mean illegal aliens?

Well, even if some of the $$$ do go to illegal aliens or drug addicts, it beats awarding companies for exporting jobs or getting people killed in a vanity war. Right? But seriously, I would like to see reform and a more efficient government. That is a conservative position. But I just do not think Bush conservatives are doing it. Compare Bush with Kerry, I choose the lesser evil.
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