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Punit Raizada
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Hi
was just wondering what everyone thought abt camera phones ... was just reading an article on them ..
article on textually.org


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Jeroen Wenting
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completely useless gadgets IMO.
But then I'm a serious amateur photographer with some published work who has several (semi)pro cameras the poorest of which provides quality lightyears ahead of what a cameraphone can hope to yield (rather than the single-use cameras many people seem to prefer).
And yes, I do have one and I have tried it.
But I didn't buy the phone for the camera (I knew it'd be bad) but because I wanted a large size phone (I have rather large hands) and it was the only large phone they had in stock (my old phone had died).
And yes, I do carry a camera just about everywhere I go.
That one is either a Nikon SLR or a Nikon 5MP digicam (which I got as an experiment last year, I wish I'd gotten a rangefinder instead but those are too expensive for me).
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Paul Stevens
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Useless. Are you kidding. Crooks have been using them to take pictures of peoples credit cards. Sounds like someone is finding a use for them.
Or how about the use in the singles bars. They use the pictures so the 2 never have to meet unless there is a connection.
Useless. :roll:
Ashok Mash
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Well, depends on how you look at it, IMHO! Camera phones are fun gadgets. Yes, they don�t do multi-million pixel images (except Sharp GX30, which has a full million pixel camera) and they take cr*p shots at even at the most appropriate lighting condition. But who cares? If you need to take serious photos, buy a serious camera. But if all you need is to take a quick snap of something silly that you saw on way to pub on a Saturday night and want to share the laugh with a few mates, you sure need a camera phone, and like many other gadgets, its boys toys and the crowd amused. Oh yeah, you can use them to make and receive calls as well!


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Jeroen Wenting
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Originally posted by Paul Stevens:
Useless. Are you kidding. Crooks have been using them to take pictures of peoples credit cards. Sounds like someone is finding a use for them.
Or how about the use in the singles bars. They use the pictures so the 2 never have to meet unless there is a connection.
Useless. :roll:

I can do both with the real cameras I carry around whereever I go and get better results...
But as I'm no crook nor do I visit singles bars I have no practical application for either use so even if they were applications of a phonecam only I'd have no use for them
Useless indeed
Rafa Moreno
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I found they great for fun and a good idea when they get better.
The same for pda cameras
Damien Howard
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Originally posted by Paul Stevens:
Useless. Are you kidding. Crooks have been using them to take pictures of peoples credit cards. Sounds like someone is finding a use for them.
Or how about the use in the singles bars. They use the pictures so the 2 never have to meet unless there is a connection.
Useless. :roll:

They have had lots of trouble with them in Korea where they are used to photograph women in an inappropriate manner - I'll leave the meaning of that to your imagination.
Paul Stevens
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Originally posted by Damien Howard:

They have had lots of trouble with them in Korea where they are used to photograph women in an inappropriate manner - I'll leave the meaning of that to your imagination.

Another use for them. There is probably a website that has those photos as well.
Richard Hawkes
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Originally posted by Damien Howard:
They have had lots of trouble with them in Korea where they are used to photograph women in an inappropriate manner - I'll leave the meaning of that to your imagination.
For that reason I think all new camera phones (in Korea) now have to make a sound and flash a light when taking a picture, and this can't be turned off in the settings.
Many of my colleagues have them, they're all the rage. The latest ones are quite sophisticated, with zoom and large enough screens to make viewing pictures almost worthwhile. They even record movies. As a fun gadget they're pretty cool I think, but kids stuff really. Quality is never going to be that hot.
[ April 13, 2004: Message edited by: Richard Hawkes ]
Punit Raizada
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I agree the quality of the camera phones cannot be compared with the regular camera's ... frankly i carry my cellphone everywhere i go and dont usually have my camera with me. When i see something interesting (not in anyway related to whats happening in korea ) i take a picture and send it to my friends.. it is fun.
The image quality offcourse is poor but its not really bad if i send a MMS to another cellphone. The picture looks pretty good on the cellphone.
Dont know whether the camera phones are here for good but almost all the manufacturers seem to be coming out with new models and better camera's
[ April 13, 2004: Message edited by: Punit Raizada ]
Richard Hawkes
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I'm just waiting for the combined camera/camcorder, film/mp3 player, telephone, pc/organizer/mail/storage, e-wallet, id device, and it has to be the same size as an iPod. Not too much to ask surely Maybe in 2050 they'll get close, but I'll be too old to care by then.
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Say, Richard, aren't you in Korea right now?


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Damien Howard
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Originally posted by Richard Hawkes:
I'm just waiting for the combined camera/camcorder, film/mp3 player, telephone, pc/organizer/mail/storage, e-wallet, id device, and it has to be the same size as an iPod. Not too much to ask surely Maybe in 2050 they'll get close, but I'll be too old to care by then.

I wouldn't be so sure that you have to wait that long. I think technology is close to doing everything you listed except the PC in something close to the size of an ipod
Ellen Zhao
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my most recent toy is a Toshiba e800 pocket pc. 400 MHz CPU; 4 inch 640*480 VGA screen; CF/SD slot, SDIO....so, it can: be an organizer; film/music player ( believe me, it really rocks when watching a movie on its 4 inch screen on plane ... a movie is about 128 MB big when converted for pocket pc, so in a 2.2 GB FC card you can store more than 10 movies...); mount a GPS navigation client ( via the SDIO ); be an e wallet; access internet with embedded WiFi 802.11b; make cell phone call via some commerical software(It's troublesome so far I didn't buy the software. And my hands are not big enough to hold the ppc as a cell phone ); be a voice recorder; there are even MS word and excel pocket edition pre-installed...now there only lacks camera for Richard. And I guess PPC with camera will be out there in 2005 ( Toshiba e800 came out in 2003 ), but not 2050. So, if you are shopping some pocket device which comes with a camera, maybe you can just wait for one year or more and then get a ppc...
If you are shopping a serious digital camera, pocket device is not a good choice. The lens is a very crucial thing. For a pocket device the size of lens has to be limited, so the light flux won't be enough for a decent picture.
For me cell phone is just for talking. I'm happily using my Nokia 6210 (almost antique now )and not buying new one until it's really worn out. And I guess by then it really becomes an antique maybe I can send it to museum or show off to children "Na look, in the good old days ... "

Regards,
Ellen
[ April 16, 2004: Message edited by: Ellen Zhao ]
Richard Hawkes
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Originally posted by Jim Yingst:
Say, Richard, aren't you in Korea right now?
Yeah, but I never took those photos, they were already on the camera-phone. I got it second-hand see, from a friend. Which friend? Oh, I meant at the market, yeah that's it, the market.
Richard Hawkes
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Originally posted by Ellen Zhao:
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Nice toy, I'm jealous
Perhaps 2050 is too long an estimate, well maybe; each function would need offer at least a good a standard as what can be found on stand alone devices today, and be cheap enough for me to buy and have gone through a whole consumer cycle so I'd know it wasn't going to be useless and any new standards were going to be adopted properly. Being the size of an iPod though will have serious screen size limitations. Perhaps a flexable pull out screen on a roller, or projection and/or goggles. Ooh, I can't wait. When's it coming out?
Damien Howard
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Originally posted by Richard Hawkes:
Originally posted by Ellen Zhao:
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Nice toy, I'm jealous
Perhaps 2050 is too long an estimate, well maybe; each function would need offer at least a good a standard as what can be found on stand alone devices today, and be cheap enough for me to buy and have gone through a whole consumer cycle so I'd know it wasn't going to be useless and any new standards were going to be adopted properly. Being the size of an iPod though will have serious screen size limitations. Perhaps a flexable pull out screen on a roller, or projection and/or goggles. Ooh, I can't wait. When's it coming out?[/QB]

Tomorrow, I'm putting the finishing touches on it now as I type this
Stevie Kaligis
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Originally posted by Richard Hawkes:
I'm just waiting for the combined camera/camcorder, film/mp3 player, telephone, pc/organizer/mail/storage, e-wallet, id device, and it has to be the same size as an iPod. Not too much to ask surely Maybe in 2050 they'll get close, but I'll be too old to care by then.

Try Orange SPV200 (in Asia : O2 Xphone) nice one !
Nigel Browne
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In the UK paramedics are using canera phones to send images of injuries to the hospital E.R. ward before the ambulance arrives. In this way the nursing staff know in advance what to expect. They can save lives.
But for me it is just another feature on my phone I never use.
HS Thomas
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New things to look out for :
A slimline device with E-Ink technology to read e-books. Apparently it is as good as reading them on paper . All airport and train depature /arival
boards will eventually be replaced by this technology too. Because it uses very little power and doesn't give the reader a headache.
The New Sony PS3 - There are 2 new versions
one at �140 the other at �400 and the latter is
A PDA (The Toshiba E800 sounds good) and a G4 tower.
Amongst these a camera doesn't seem a lot to ask to include.
Or did you mean video camera ; Video games are going to have the same technical quality as Hollywood films. As to literary quality I guess the usual 1 in every 1000 applies.
[ April 19, 2004: Message edited by: HS Thomas ]
 
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