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Mani Ram
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What is Lohnsteuerkarte?
What is Lohnsteuerbescheinigung?
I gave my tax card (it has a title "Lohnsteuerkarte" in it) for submitting the tax returns. But the tax consultant is saying that another document called "Lohnsteuerbescheinigung" is missing and it is required to file the returns.
But I don't have this document. How & where can I get this document?
Could someone help me out
Thanks in advance.


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Helen Thomas
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Lohnsteuerkarte - tax card
the other - Certificate of wage tax
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You are submitting your tax returns to Germany?


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Mani Ram
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Originally posted by Helen Thomas:
You are submitting your tax returns to Germany?

Is there anything wrong in doing that?
Thanks for your translation. Actually I want to know what is the difference between them and how & wherer can I get the Lohnsteuerbescheinigung.
Helen Thomas
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Originally posted by Mani Ram:

Is there anything wrong in doing that?

Absolutely not. Could try this myself.
Would Papua New Guinea accept tax returns ?
Might have some concerns submitting head counts.
Unless you are based in Germany it does seem strange. Could we trouble you for a fuller explanation ?
Mani Ram
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Oh...well, I thought people will guess it easily. My fault.
I was working there in Germany for sometime and I need to file the returns for that period. Hope it is clear now
Helen Thomas
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Oh! Thanks.
All clear if a bit boring. It would be much more exciting if the Germans did Indian tax returns, Indians did British tax returns, brits did iraqi tax returns and iraqis did american tax returns
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I would like it if they would calculate my taxes in Jamaica. Today there are 60.05 Jamaican dollars to one U.S. dollar.


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John Smith
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What is Lohnsteuerkarte?
What is Lohnsteuerbescheinigung?

Our software vendor is a German company, so all of their javadocs are in German. Our developers have a lot of fun reading the javadocs with the simulated German accent and trying to figure out what a paticular method does. So the
Online Translator is one of our standard J2EE tools.
For the words in question, the translator gives me:
Lohnsteuerkarte -- Wage tax map
Lohnsteuerbescheinigung -- Wage tax certificate
Helen Thomas
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You may be on to something there.
1.00 USD
United States Dollars = 1,515.00 LBP Lebanon Pounds
1.00 USD
United States Dollars = 4,872.56 ZMK Zambia Kwacha
1.00 USD
United States Dollars = 0.310900 IQD Iraq Dinars
The last one above not very tax efficient.
How about Iran ?
1.00 USD
United States Dollars = 8,766.36 IRR Iran Rials
Ashok Mash
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Originally posted by Helen Thomas:

How about Iran ?
1.00 USD
United States Dollars = 8,766.36 IRR Iran Rials

WOW, I am a millionaire (IRR). Well, errr.. may be not! :roll:


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Axel Janssen
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You get that Lohnsteuerbescheinigung from you employer. They must give it to you.
They usally tack it to the Lohnsteuerkarte (this orange thing. was orange 2003 I think).
The Lohnsteuerbescheinigung contains information about what you've earned, how much taxes you paid, the stuff you paid for the social insurances, the solidarity contribution to our brothers from ex-GDR, the church tax, etc.
Ellen Zhao
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Originally posted by Mani Ram:
What is Lohnsteuerkarte?
What is Lohnsteuerbescheinigung?
I gave my tax card (it has a title "Lohnsteuerkarte" in it) for submitting the tax returns. But the tax consultant is saying that another document called "Lohnsteuerbescheinigung" is missing and it is required to file the returns.
But I don't have this document. How & where can I get this document?
Could someone help me out
Thanks in advance.

You get the Lohnsteuerbescheinigung when you pay your tax to the German government. That Bescheinigung tells that you really have paid your tax.
As for where you can get this document, I'm not sure. Maybe you should go to your Arbeitgeber ( job offerer ) or maybe you should go to the local tax department when you worked in Germany to get the Bescheinigung. It sounds a little bit strange to me that you have paid your tax but they didn't give your Lohnsteuerbescheinigung right away. It's just like...you take an exam but the professor doesn't grade you.
BTW, I'm not a German. But my friends here were very good at asking for the tax return when they left Germany.

To Eugene,
I recommend another German-English-German translating tool:
dict.leo.org
the leo.org is built by the department of computer science of the technical university of Munich. Its translation is very accurate and intelligent, also gives examples of the proper usage of the very meaning of the word you are looking for. Since it's built by CS people it's expecially good at CS/IT terms. And they are updating their dictionary pretty often. I've used many online G-E-G dictionary but this one is the best. It's set as my web browser's homepage and one of my instructors ( a German ) also does that. If you haven't known it before, you can try.
Regards,
Ellen
[ April 22, 2004: Message edited by: Ellen Zhao ]
Ellen Zhao
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Ach Axel, you were one foot faster than me.
Axel Janssen
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Originally posted by Ellen Zhao:

It sounds a little bit strange to me that you have paid your tax but they didn't give your Lohnsteuerbescheinigung right away. It just like...you take an exam but the professor doesn't grade you.

Mani,
That's it.
Your employer have your wage.
First he pays his taxes for employing you.
Next he pays your taxes for having the pleasure to work
Third he gives you the rest.
So the employer transfers the tax to the enlightened government of my great nation.
You have to ask your employer. He must give you the paper.
Case you didn't considered the paper important and have lost it, you'll probably make the experience that negotiating with german burocrats without having the correct papers is absolutedly no fun. I know it very well, believe me. Ask your employer. Insist.
Next time for everybody working in Germany:
collect every little receibt which is remotedly job related. Ask some german how to do taxes. There is a whole industry which lives from giving consulting service for normal working people. Germans often know good & not that expensive tax consultants. I have the luck that my father helped me out. Now I manage the basic stuff. My father is still working on the more riskier lines of argumentation, though.
wish you good luck
Axel
Axel Janssen
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Originally posted by Ellen Zhao:
Ach Axel, you were one foot faster than me.

Sure. And you explained it echt gut.
[ April 22, 2004: Message edited by: Axel Janssen ]
Mani Ram
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Many thanks Axel, Ellen & Eugene. Now it's clear. I guess my Lohnsteuerbescheinigung will be lying somewhere in my employer's desk. I have asked them to search it. Hope they can find it somewhere, somehow.
And a special thanks ro Ellen for that link. It is awesome!
 
 
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