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Johannes de Jong

Joined: Jan 27, 2001
Posts: 5089
Hi all,
I saw this interesting article by John Zukowski
Book Review
I got my vacation today money so guess where I'm heading week
Richard Boren
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Joined: Mar 01, 2001
Posts: 233
Don't spend it all
Johannes de Jong

Joined: Jan 27, 2001
Posts: 5089
Dont worry my wife handles the finances
Paul Ralph
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Joined: Aug 10, 2000
Posts: 312
Be sure to let us know which one(s) you chose.
Personally, I'm finding Java in a Nutshell to be a great review book for the SCJP (other than AWT, which is left for Java Foundation Classes), but I would *never* suggest someone read it first.
Paul R
Pauline McNamara

Joined: Jan 19, 2001
Posts: 4012
Thanks for the great resource, JdJ. I always like hearing about a good book, but often have to resist the urge to collect books on the shelf that I don't get around to reading.
This weekend I had the good luck to visit a big city with giant bookstores. One was big enough to have a good selection of English Java books, so I had a chance to leaf through a couple.
I decided to get O'Reilly's Java in a Nutshell as my first Java "reference" book, to add to the few "learning Java for beginners" that are already on the shelf. (Of course, I ordered it from Amazon via the link from Javaranch )
It's good to hear you find Java in a Nutshell useful, Paul, that reinforces my choice.
Have fun reading,
Johannes de Jong

Joined: Jan 27, 2001
Posts: 5089
I sort of decided to get Java in a Nutshell as well, Pauline.
But I'm also playing around with the idea to get "The Java Enterprise CD Bookshelf" both electronic and print versions of Java Enterprise in a Nutshell, plus electronic versions of Java in a Nutshell, 3rd Edition; Java Foundation Classes in a Nutshell; Enterprise JavaBeans, 2nd Edition; Java Servlet Programming; Java Security; and Java Distributed Computing.
But the reviews put me off Reviews.
But I have time enough to make up my mind I dont think I'll get to A'dam within the next two weeks.
Good luck with your choice. Let me know how it is
[This message has been edited by Johannes de Jong (edited May 28, 2001).]
Johannes de Jong

Joined: Jan 27, 2001
Posts: 5089
Well Pauline I got my answer today, really though it through.

Its actually very simple. Why bother getting involved with EJB.
Heck its not like I'm gonna get involved with Java at work. I'm a mainframe programmer, and most probarely will go on pension being one. All my Java will be hobby, server-based, etc.
So it wont be CD bookshelf.
I think I'll go with your choice as well + a few others ?
whish my dad had a spell-checker installed
[This message has been edited by Johannes de Jong (edited May 29, 2001).]
Daniel Dunleavy
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Joined: Mar 13, 2001
Posts: 276
Hey, mainframe programmers do break free. I was a COBOL/CICS/VSAM guy for about 10 years. It does take a bit to get free though. I kept on my studies of PC, etc (late 80s), and kept my ears open for any work that had to be done in my department along those lines. Anytime I heard of something I would 'mention' that I could do it. The problem with pidgeon holing is tough though. I actually removed most of it off my resume now. Even up to a few years ago people would say 'why do you want to do this, your a mainframe guy'.
Just plug away, and updating your skills. Keep your ears open and network.
Johannes de Jong

Joined: Jan 27, 2001
Posts: 5089
I've been thinkering with PC's since the first IBM XT Daniel. I'm even a cerified Novell Engineer (3.12) but since our move the Netherlands I've worked at "sofware-houses" ie. they sell my body to their clients. Well their first "sell" was a mainframe job, and as I'm good at what I do, , they kept on asking me back. With the current shortage of good mainframe staff over here, there is no way the "body-shopper" I work for currently, is going to take a nock in his income to let me move to Java/PC based work. If I managed to get my SCJP last year or so it might have been a different story. Last year having a SCJP certificate would have landed you a nice job, but know they want solid experience as well.
But it actually does not matter. I'm happy to make Java my hobby and if I land a job using it , but in the meantime I'm quite happy what I do.
I love my work.
Thanks for you interest though.
I agree. Here's the link:
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