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Derek Grey
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Unsolved Crimes

The title says "History�s greatest unsolved crimes" but except for "Jack the Ripper" I see only unsolved crimes of USA.

Does that mean there are no "great" unsolved crimes elsewhere in the world?

Should we be worried that security in the US is far lesser than in other countries where no crime goes unsolved?

OR

Is it just one of those stupid, pointless articles from Microsoft written by their brainless writers (the one's who can't differentiate the word "world" from "USA")
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Have not we talked about it in the thread about the baseball World Series?
Helen Thomas
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The disappearance of Lord Lucan after murdering the wife/nanny or both is an unsolved crime.
He is believed to have been hiding in Rhodesia.
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There is one from Mexico as well (or do you consider that part of the USA).

But rather than complain, why not give some examples of unsolved crimes from outside the US?

Here's one:

February 28, 1986, Olof Palme, Swedish Prime Minister was gunned down on a Stockholm street.


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well, one of them does take place in Mexico, which is NOT part of the U.S.A.

but i agree with your point. i'm sure there are many more interesting cases throughout the world that should supercede some of these...


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Derek Grey
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Originally posted by Thomas Paul:
There is one from Mexico as well (or do you consider that part of the USA).
...to me USA is USA...which is only a part of the world...just like any other country...simple.

But rather than complain, why not give some examples of unsolved crimes from outside the US?
... I just asked a question...I wasn't complaining.

Derek Grey
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Thomas,

Here's some examples I could think of

1. India's former PM Lal Bahadur Shastri was poisoned and killed in Tashkent. He was there to sign a peace treaty.

2. Martin Luther King ... what happened to him? This might not sound like a crime but it also doesn't prove that it was not a crime...

3. Elvis ... for the same reasons as # 2

...until I think of a few more.
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... assassinations don't seem like crimes?!


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Martin Luther King, JUNIOR was assassinated. I'm not sure about Martin Luther King.
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Elvis died from an overdose of pills. I'm not sure what crime might be involved. Martin Luther King, JR. was assasinated. His killer was sent to prison for life. The family thinks that others were involved but they have no evidence to support the theory.
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Originally posted by Thomas Paul:
Martin Luther King, JR. was assasinated. His killer was sent to prison for life. The family thinks that others were involved but they have no evidence to support the theory.
Except that the person convicted of the assassination, after three decades in prison and suffering the end stages of a terminal illness (and therefore having little to gain or lose from what anyone believed), insisted in person to Mrs. King that he didn't do it and that he was framed.

At the time of the killing, the FBI was headed by J. Edgar Hoover -- a man who detested both the civil rights movement [deleted-mh]
So I do not think it inconceivable that J. Edgar Hoover might have been behind the assassination, with convicted assassin James E. Ray a (relatively) innocent patsy. No, I have no evidence, and it is equally conceivable to me that Ray did act alone as the killer. I am not convinced there was a secret conspiracy, but I'm open-minded about the possibility.
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Originally posted by Frank Silbermann:
I am not convinced there was a secret conspiracy, but I'm open-minded about the possibility.


Be careful about keeping your mind so open that your brains fall out. I have no evidence that Dr. King wasn't murdered by time-travelling Martians but I am not open-minded about the possibility. As to why a dying old racist might lie to the family of the man he murdered, I can think of plenty of reasons.
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Originally posted by Frank Silbermann:
Except that the person convicted of the assassination, after three decades in prison and suffering the end stages of a terminal illness (and therefore having little to gain or lose from what anyone believed), insisted in person to Mrs. King that he didn't do it and that he was framed.


I think he wanted to keep the myth alive for the benefit of his next of kin.
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At the time of the killing, the FBI was headed by J. Edgar Hoover -- a man who detested both the civil rights movement and [deleted-mh]
So I do not think it inconceivable that J. Edgar Hoover might have been behind the assassination, with convicted assassin James E. Ray a (relatively) innocent patsy. No, I have no evidence, and it is equally conceivable to me that Ray did act alone as the killer. I am not convinced there was a secret conspiracy, but I'm open-minded about the possibility.


Hoover might have had good reasons to want MLK dead (in fact, there were tons of people with very good reasons) but he was not one inclined to break the law. Bend it maybe, not break it.
Had he found MLK breaking a law directly he'd have had no problem in shooting him during an attempt to flee the scene, but he wouldn't hire an assassin to do the job.
Had Hoover been a man like that he'd have had Capone and the other mob leaders murdered instead of working inside the law...
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Originally posted by Jeroen Wenting:
Hoover might have had good reasons to want MLK dead (in fact, there were tons of people with very good reasons) but he was not one inclined to break the law. Bend it maybe, not break it.
Had he found MLK breaking a law directly he'd have had no problem in shooting him during an attempt to flee the scene, but he wouldn't hire an assassin to do the job.
Had Hoover been a man like that he'd have had Capone and the other mob leaders murdered instead of working inside the law...
MLK was not a violent criminal, so Hoover would not have been able to destroy him by working within the law. However, you may be right that such behavior would have been inconsistent with Hoover's character and personality. Still, there might have been a conspiracy from lower levels at the FBI -- or some other group of people who wanted King dead but preferred to let a patsy pay the price.

One strong piece of evidence that James Earl Ray did it, is that he was known as James Earl Ray, and not, say, as James Ray or James E. Ray. Being known by one's full name (including the middle name) is common among American assassins. (E.g. John Wilkes Booth and Lee Harvey Oswald.)
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One strong piece of evidence that James Earl Ray did it, is that he was known as James Earl Ray, and not, say, as James Ray or James E. Ray. Being known by one's full name (including the middle name) is common among American assassins. (E.g. John Wilkes Booth and Lee Harvey Oswald.)

This constitutes strong evidence? Wow


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Originally posted by San Tiruvan:



Is it just one of those stupid, pointless articles from Microsoft written by their brainless writers (the one's who can't differentiate the word "world" from "USA")


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Originally posted by Jesse Torres:


He's referring to the fact that a lack of cultural sensitivity has caused Microsoft some embarassment:
Microsoft pays dear for insults through ignorance
and wondering if the writer of this article, by excluding great crimes commited outside the US (except 2), is suffering from the same USA-centric view.
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Originally posted by Joe Ess:


He's referring to the fact that a lack of cultural sensitivity has caused Microsoft some embarassment:
Microsoft pays dear for insults through ignorance
and wondering if the writer of this article, by excluding great crimes commited outside the US (except 2), is suffering from the same USA-centric view.


That article is just plain ridiculous and not at all atypical of The Guardian. It's clear the larger picture the author is trtrying to make. I'm curious though as to his motivation for mentioning mistakes in software that is quite old by now, such as Win95 and AOE2. If those are the only minor gaffes that a corporation like Microsoft has made in their software, then they've done a pretty good job. It's a pretty formidable task writing software with worldwide appeal that won't in some way offend somebody. Everybody expects these developers to be experts on every little country on the planet and is quick to string them up when the inevitable mistake slips in. Wah!
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Originally posted by Jason Menard:


That article is just plain ridiculous and not at all atypical of The Guardian. It's clear the larger picture the author is trtrying to make. I'm curious though as to his motivation for mentioning mistakes in software that is quite old by now, such as Win95 and AOE2. If those are the only minor gaffes that a corporation like Microsoft has made in their software, then they've done a pretty good job. It's a pretty formidable task writing software with worldwide appeal that won't in some way offend somebody. Everybody expects these developers to be experts on every little country on the planet and is quick to string them up when the inevitable mistake slips in. Wah!


Especially since the company is Microsoft and it's considered l33t kewl to show how evil and stupid they are, no matter reality or common sense...
 
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