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Man Charged With Aiming Laser at Aircraft

Thomas Paul
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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/ap/20050104/ap_on_re_us/laser_beam_aircraft

But later, Banach submitted to a lie detector test and eventually said he shined the laser beam at both aircraft, according to the court papers. The papers did not give any alleged motive.

The motive is obvious... the Burger King was out of french fries!


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Mike Gershman
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I saw that on CNN.

He was quite a brave man. When the FBI showed up, he said his daughter did it. Then they gave him a polygraph ...


This reminds me of the morons who insist on using their cell phones while the aircraft is final approach. Maybe they should get to meet some FBI agents as well.


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Angela Poynton
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This reminds me of the morons who insist on using their cell phones while the aircraft is final approach. Maybe they should get to meet some FBI agents as well.


I genuinely believe cellphones / laptops etc. should be banned in the aircraft cabin and put in hold luggage along with all the other items considered dangerous in a cabin.


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Cellphones (current models that is, not talking about the old analog beasts that required powerpacks weighing several kilos) are save in aircraft.
The restriction on using them at the moment is in part social (preventing a hundred people screaming into their phones all at the same time) and in part economical (getting income from the satelite phones on the aircraft).
In small part it's also to prevent complaints about poor reception (during cruise for a good while you're well out of range of transmission towers).

Playing Lasers at aircraft inside a well defined zone around an airport is actually already illegal and has been for many years. It's just that the laws are quite unknown and therefore people may well break them unknowingly (and without intending any harm).


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Warren Dew
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Jeroen Wenting:

Cellphones (current models that is, not talking about the old analog beasts that required powerpacks weighing several kilos) are save in aircraft.

In the U.S., I believe they are generally allowed in flight now, just not during takeoff and landing. I think that's a safety issue - if nothing else, they could become projectiles in a crash landing.

Playing Lasers at aircraft inside a well defined zone around an airport is actually already illegal and has been for many years. It's just that the laws are quite unknown and therefore people may well break them unknowingly (and without intending any harm).

It's kind of hard to believe they are intending no harm if they have good enough aim to hit the cockpit - unless they are really stupid, which is always a possibility. This guy was arrested under a fairly recent law (one of the few uses of USAPAT that seems to me uncontroversial).
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It's kind of hard to believe they are intending no harm if they have good enough aim to hit the cockpit - unless they are really stupid, which is always a possibility.

The article mentions:
"Banach's lawyer, Gina Mendola-Longarzo, said her client was simply using the hand-held device to look at stars with his daughter on the family's deck."

I seriously think the guy wanted to point out constellations to his daughter like a planetarium, too dumb to realize there was no dome ceiling to reflect the laser light.

I imagine that in his disappointment, he wanted to see if the laser was visible pointed at an aircraft. Hey, it works! It's amazing how a stupid mistake can ruin your life.


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Jeroen Wenting
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Originally posted by Warren Dew:

It's kind of hard to believe they are intending no harm if they have good enough aim to hit the cockpit - unless they are really stupid, which is always a possibility. This guy was arrested under a fairly recent law (one of the few uses of USAPAT that seems to me uncontroversial).


Depends. Some people will intend harm and those aim for the cockpit windows.
Others just aim at something moving.
Remember that in forward aspect those windows make up a large percentage of the target, and with the ever higher number of aircraft that have no anti-glare paint applied to the upper surface of the nosecone it gets even larger if you take reflections into account.

He may have been charged under a recent law, but that doesn't mean using lasers around airports hasn't been illegal for a long time
Look up FAA regulation 7400.2

The barred zone extends for 10nm around an airport facility but local authorities are free to extend it further if they feel this is necessary.

http://www.faa.gov/atpubs/AIR/chapter_29.htm has all the details. Using those restrictions the police can probably use other laws to use against the culprit (I'd guess they could define using a laser inside the zone as discharging an illegal weapon for example).
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Jason Menard
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Originally posted by Warren Dew:
In the U.S., I believe they are generally allowed in flight now, just not during takeoff and landing.


I just came back off a flight the other day. The announcement was that we could use cell phones in flight if we disabled transmit and receive. In other words, you could use the non-telephone related features, such as games or whatever as long as your phone allowed you to disable transmit and receive.
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Originally posted by Jeroen Wenting:
The barred zone extends for 10nm around an airport facility but local authorities are free to extend it further if they feel this is necessary.


10 nano-meters?


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In the U.S., I believe they are generally allowed in flight now, just not during takeoff and landing

I flew in the cockpit of a commercial flight to Spain a few months back . The pilot and copilot both used their mobile phones during the flight. But then, maybe pilots who let random passengers fly in the cockpit with them might not be the best examples of how to behave on a plane...


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Kishore Dandu
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Guys,

I read couple of weeks ago about a initiative which will allow unlimited usage of cell phones in the planes flying over the US air space.

So, why is everybody so much concerned about the usage of cell phone any more?? when FAA itself is going through clearance checks to allow this usage.


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Michael Ernest
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Originally posted by Kishore Dandu:
I read couple of weeks ago about a initiative which will allow unlimited usage of cell phones in the planes flying over the US air space.

So, why is everybody so much concerned about the usage of cell phone any more?? when FAA itself is going through clearance checks to allow this usage.

"Ok, guys, lock in on my signal and fire the rocket."


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Bob Reardon
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Originally posted by Joel McNary:


10 nano-meters?


10 nautical miles
Kishore Dandu
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Originally posted by Michael Ernest:

"Ok, guys, lock in on my signal and fire the rocket."


Here is the link for cell phone usage initiative.

Here is another link .
[ January 06, 2005: Message edited by: Kishore Dandu ]
 
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