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Helen Thomas
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Should ISPs do more to stop this evil activity ? Like blocking a few ports, perhaps. Who needs an e-mail server on their PC these days ? A few TV programs won't go amiss.As a minimum, ISPs should provide cable modems with a built-in hardware firewall, scan and block virus e-mails, secure their networks, and do more to educate their client base.

free Spam ridding tools - Zone Alarm firewall, SpyBot Anti-Spyware and AVG Anti-Virus are all free for personal use! I've only tried SpyBot and SpyDoctor so far but they don't get everything. Norton Anti-Virus seems to have trouble deleting some files. I run Anti-Virus and Spyware twice a day at the moment.

I decided to get rid of the IE browser completely to stop pop-ups but I expect it'll install itself sooner rather than later.

There has been suggestions that the general public need a licence before they are allowed to drive on the Net.

Like running tools regularly to stop spyware and viruses. If ISPs detect you haven't done this for months on end they could shut you off. Apparently it's women and old folk who are taking up this cause. They just might get aggressive !!

Satisfaction can be derived from the fact that Bill Gates is the most spammed peron in the world.
[ February 02, 2005: Message edited by: Helen Thomas ]

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Jeroen Wenting
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ISPs should not censor their users unless and until those users have shown they're incapable of behaving like good citizens and unwilling to learn.

I do run my own mailserver. My ISP provides for SMTP mail delivery which offers me the option to run my own domain from here.

Norton is the biggest piece of crap in the AV industry.

The women and old people are the ones most guilty in not keeping up to date, relying on the irregular visits of computer savvy relatives to do it for them.

Your irrate jealousy-born hatred of Microsoft and Bill Gates (a person who never did anything to you) are hereby noted.
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Helen Thomas
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Your irrate jealousy-born hatred of Microsoft and Bill Gates (a person who never did anything to you) are hereby noted.
Maybe such behaviour should be a clear indication that a person is not capable of mature thought and therefore should not be allowed on the net.



Well it's just as well Windows shut down by itself and on restarting IE automatically started dialing up some free porn site else you'd have been reading my post starting "Cut the c$$p, Jeroen.."

M$ is setting some standards like the urge to donate directly to free vaccinations rather than buy into more crap software.
[ February 02, 2005: Message edited by: Helen Thomas ]
Bacon
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The bottom line is that if M$ doesn't do something about limiting these annoyances, someone else will. That's why alternate browsers are around and increasing in popularity. IMO that's why Linux and MAC are also on the upswing. Most people do what works best for them. Their decisions are based on convenience not hatred of some corporation. M$ has no soft place in my heart, however, I use a lot of their stuff.

There have been many a time where I have thought seriously about jumping ship and going to the alternatives because of the spy-ware, pop-ups and related crap that you have to put up with on a M$ platform and browser.

Someday I may do it, if I decide the effort of changing is worth it.
Helen Thomas
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While picking up my second copy of NAV within two months, I did scan the Linux shelves. Red Hat had sold out. Mandrake 10.1 and Suse were competitively priced, about the price of a takeaway, �30. Easy to forgo.
Windows Home XP was �170. Windows XP Professional is �250. PC World give pretty good technical support I hear.
[ February 02, 2005: Message edited by: Helen Thomas ]
Madhav Lakkapragada
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After the diaster I had over the weekend, I downloaded spybot.com software and it detected some 120 or so junk entries (mostly adware/spyware) in my registry. I cleaned them all. Now that you say you had some porn stuff on your system, its time for you to do this as well. I am positive it installed quite a lot of adware/spyware on your system to 'track' your activity.

So, I would suggest spend some time download spybot and clean it up.

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Helen Thomas
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Originally posted by Helen Thomas:


free Spam ridding tools - Zone Alarm firewall, SpyBot Anti-Spyware and AVG Anti-Virus are all free for personal use! I've only tried SpyBot and SpyDoctor so far but they don't get everything. Norton Anti-Virus seems to have trouble deleting some files. I run Anti-Virus and Spyware twice a day at the moment.



Thanks Madhav. I am trying Spybot but it doesn't get rid of everything, though it got rid of 400 spyware malware. NAV caught 7 viruses. All I did was send my computer to be repaired after a disk crash. I don't like saving anything on my computer anymore. I'm looking enviously at reports on the web of people who have been virus and spyware free for years ; over 90% of them have migrated to Linux. They probably just look at their mail and blog or surf the web, play some music. And write some Java.
[ February 02, 2005: Message edited by: Helen Thomas ]
Gregg Bolinger
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Originally posted by Jeroen Wenting:
Norton is the biggest piece of crap in the AV industry.


Your irrate jealousy-born hatred of Norton and Symantic (a company who never did anything to you) are hereby noted.

Works both ways Jeroen. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Chill out.


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Jeroen Wenting
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I've been a direct victim of several Norton program and their inherent flaws.
Each required a full OS reinstall to even get rid of the program, let alone to repair the damage it did.

I've had no trouble with Windows to that extent EVER. In fact I've had no serious problems with Windows at all which could not be traced back to 3rd parties messing with things they should not...

Also notice I nowhere display pleasure in the discomfort or personal loss of any individual who is a part of Symantec, unlike Helen who takes great pleasure in knowing that Bill Gates gets a lot of spam...
And unlike other opinions I've seen online that were similarly worded by people who openly voiced their wishes that Bill Gates die a slow and painful death.
Gregg Bolinger
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Originally posted by Jeroen Wenting:
I've been a direct victim of several Norton program and their inherent flaws.
Each required a full OS reinstall to even get rid of the program, let alone to repair the damage it did.

I've had no trouble with Windows to that extent EVER. In fact I've had no serious problems with Windows at all which could not be traced back to 3rd parties messing with things they should not...

Also notice I nowhere display pleasure in the discomfort or personal loss of any individual who is a part of Symantec, unlike Helen who takes great pleasure in knowing that Bill Gates gets a lot of spam...
And unlike other opinions I've seen online that were similarly worded by people who openly voiced their wishes that Bill Gates die a slow and painful death.


I guess the question then is why have you taken on the crusade? Why do you care soooooo much what people say about Windows and/or Bill Gates?
Gail Mikels
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Originally posted by Jeroen Wenting:

The women and old people are the ones most guilty in not keeping up to date, relying on the irregular visits of computer savvy relatives to do it for them.


... and am I the only one offended by this comment? Sounds like someone needs a nap. :roll:


Gail Mikels
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Originally posted by Elaine Micheals:
Sounds like someone needs a nap. :roll:


I know I do. Ornery, I think they call it.

That's just from work, not this thread. The idea of a nap is very attractive.
Helen Thomas
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I could do with a computer-savvy relative right now.

It transpires that Norton Anti Virus' firewall might have closed the port that connects to the internet so connections to the internet are useless.

I've uninstalled NAV but to re-install it back Internet Explorer 5.5 is a system requirement.
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I may even have to re-install Windows. And all because of spyware and viruses. NAV appears to handle viruses but spyware seems to be able to get around it.

I'd downloaded AVG Anti-Virus and run that and it seemed to track a virus in a System32 dir , up popped a devil asking me if I wanted to delete it. Given the choices I said yes and I think it maight have unstabilised Windows.

All this because of spyware... And who needs this agro day in and day out.
It's alright saying I love Windows sitting behind a Corporate firewall.
Behind a corp firewall there ain't much you can do.
Helen Thomas
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Originally posted by Jeroen Wenting:


Also notice I nowhere display pleasure in the discomfort or personal loss of any individual who is a part of Symantec, unlike Helen who takes great pleasure in knowing that Bill Gates gets a lot of spam...
And unlike other opinions I've seen online that were similarly worded by people who openly voiced their wishes that Bill Gates die a slow and painful death.


I'll save my sympathy for all his minions who have to deal with his spam-mail. Excuse me if I'm more concerned about my discomfort and personal loss.
Not having shares in Microsoft I am free to give my opinion freely.

Note that NAV doesn't run on Linux, Mac - it isn't needed. Else there would have been a version. I think there's a Norton Personal Firewall for the Mac.

We have a presentation of standards-based connectivity to gracefully and successfully navigate and comply with new financial regulations. Sun Microsystems and Microsoft are pitching in.
JDBC 4.0 vs ADO.NET 2.0 One isn't terribly financially savvy the other rarely complies with regulations. Situation Excellent. Not!
[ February 03, 2005: Message edited by: Helen Thomas ]
Jeroen Wenting
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Weird is it?
I run Windows at work and at home, 24/7.
I've not had a virus get into my machine since 1994, 4 years before I got an internet connection and that virus was an old DOS bootsector virus which was harmless apart from slowing down disk access.
Ironically I got it through a floppy from a machine at university where someone had turned off the virusscanner when creating floppies with updates for the virus scanners students had at home...

I've never had an infestation of spyware, trojans, or other malware.

Yet I do no more than anyone with a bit of sense does which is to run a firewall, antivirus, and spam killer.

Remember that the ONLY reason there's almost no virusses and other malware targeted at Linux and Macs is that it's not economically viable to create it. The userbase is just too small to warrant the investment.
If you look at other exploits (serverside exploits) they're almost exclusively aimed at Unix based servers (some with a sideeffect to infest Windows based servers from infected Unix based servers). Simple reason: in that domain the main platform is Unix so the economic benefits of targeting it are there.
Helen Thomas
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Yet I do no more than anyone with a bit of sense does which is to run a firewall, antivirus, and spam killer.

I do have Norton Internet Security 2003 ( has been reasonably OK with that) and now Norton Internet Security 2005.
With Windows XP and Automatic Updates there is the possibility of Windows firewall interfering with the Norton firewall even if it has been specifically turned off. I'll just have to reload everything from scratch.

And why do disks have to crash so often - in the last 4 years I think I've had 5 crashes and the data is unrecoverable ? What's the best medium of backing up - Windows doesn't seem to back everything to CDs - in a recovery situation often files are missing.
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Jeroen Wenting
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You can hardly blame a harddisk crash on Windows.

I too notice more instances of hardware failure than a few years ago.
In part this is because my hardware is getting older of course but the latest hardware (all A brands btw) seems to be a lot more prone to failure than the older hardware it's designed to replace.
I put it down to in part ever tighter design margins due to the ever higher performance needed in a same-sized package, and a (far larger) part due to deliberate lower quality design (design MTBF seems to have gone down) and less QA in production facilities.

Windows backup backs up what you tell it to. It may be unable to back up some files that are in use, but mainly those will be temporary files which aren't needed during a restore.
If you're serious about automating backups you'll want to use a 3rd party backup application (like with any OS) and special hardware like tapestreamers.
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Originally posted by Jeroen Wenting:
Remember that the ONLY reason there's almost no virusses and other malware targeted at Linux and Macs is that it's not economically viable to create it. The userbase is just too small to warrant the investment.


I didn't know virus writers had to file their taxes and declare, well, virus-money?


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Jeroen Wenting
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they do however do it for the money...
Many trojans and other malware these days is created by criminal groups, usually linked to spammers and scam artists.
Whether the malware authors are selling their services to these groups or are part of them, they do derive (illicit) income from their activities.

These people will of course want to target the largest possible userbase and specifically people with decent income but a lack of computer savviness (read, non-technical people).
This makes the world's most prolific OS a prime target, especially when the competitors to that OS are mainly used by people who are more likely to recognise a trojan or scam for what it is.
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The volume of M$ installations makes them a bigger and more attractive target, regardless of finances. If you want to wreck havoc you will go for the biggest impact.

However, the constant security issues with Windows also contributes to the cause. Windows is a layered messy glob of code. It still has 20 years old code in it from the DOS days. XP is better than the predecessors, but the base system is 4gb. M$ excels at making hoggish buggy code.

Of course part of the game is pushing the hardware up so you can push the software up again. Its a constant ratcheting motion.

The advantage to writing buggy code is the constant need for support and upgrades that comes with it.
Helen Thomas
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I bought my first memory stick - USB 2.0 Flash Drive 128 MB. Does this mean I never have to have backup CDs anymore, my backing up headaches are over?

Plan to get an iPod or similar sometime in the future for music files. I did have to buy some floppy disks in order to make Emergency disks for Norton Internet Security.

I wouldn't mind learning just enough to keep the machine running rather than sending it off to be repaired every so often.

Anyone recommend a minimum set of good books on maintaining a PC in addition to NIS Manual, Windows XP manual ?
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Helen Thomas
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Originally posted by Jeroen Wenting:
You can hardly blame a harddisk crash on Windows.....

If you're serious about automating backups you'll want to use a 3rd party backup application (like with any OS) and special hardware like tapestreamers.
It may yet come to that.
Helen Thomas
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Oh, and I apologise for dumping on Bill Gates for my inability to defend myself from marauding malware and failing hardware.
What does one do with Automatic Windows Updates ? Who knows best in this case, me or my buddy Bill ?
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Cost of deleting Spam....

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Helen Thomas
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It's cost me days of my time I'd rather be doing something else.
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I'm beginning to think it might be a good idea to wait till M$ replaces it's underlying NT system with a poor copy of the Apple OS/X.
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I rarely see spam anymore. Gmail drops it into the spam bucket that I never check. My ISP blocks spam. My office blocks spam. Yahoo blocks spam. Occasionally I get spam but I don't bother reading it... just delete it. I used to get thousands of spams from my domain but since I installed a spam blocker I don't even get them there. For me spam is no longer a problem.


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Originally posted by Jeroen Wenting:
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I too notice more instances of hardware failure than a few years ago.
In part this is because my hardware is getting older of course but the latest hardware (all A brands btw) seems to be a lot more prone to failure than the older hardware it's designed to replace.
I put it down to in part ever tighter design margins due to the ever higher performance needed in a same-sized package, and a (far larger) part due to deliberate lower quality design (design MTBF seems to have gone down) and less QA in production facilities.
...


You're not imagining this, it's actually part of a problem throughout the Asian electronics industry. A few years ago a capacitor electrolyte formula was stolen in Taiwan and not copied correctly. the resulting cheap capacitors were used throught asia in the manufacture of everything from motherboards to dishwashers. These components get used in high end equipment because the bean counter who offshored the manufacture, also decided to use the cheapest components availble.

In the last 5 years I've had the following products among others die prematurely:

Yamaha cd burner - age 15 months, warranty 12 months, in landfill

Sony monotor - age 35 months, warranty 36 months, fixed at Sony's expense

Teac CD changer - age 25 months, warranty 12 months, in landfill

Maytag Neptune washer - age 3 months, fixed at Maytag's expense

Kitchenaid stove motherboard - age 9 months, 15 months, 23 months, all replaced at Inglis' expense, stove finally replace completely.

IBM hard drive - age 38 months, in landfill

For more info on this capacitor issue
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Helen Thomas
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PC is back at the workshop again.

Mandrake 10.1 and take all the spare parts from my 2 unused PCs with open source on them ... Uninterrupted internet connection is all I'm looking for right now.
 
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