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Amit Agrawal
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What do you say, will this girl end up creating history today?

http://www.usopen.org/en_US/news/playerday/20050831.html

Sania v/s Sharapova

Hoping for the best
Chetan Parekh
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Well I am optimistic about her.

She has given a statement that she is looking to get thru US Open upto the 4th round, but let see what her luck and hardwork reward her.
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Varun Khanna
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Originally posted by Amit Agrawal:
What do you say, will this girl end up creating history today?

http://www.usopen.org/en_US/news/playerday/20050831.html

Sania v/s Sharapova

Hoping for the best


Irrespective of todays result, I guess she has done a great job and stands a good chance of breaking into top 25 soon.

Best thing is she is snatching headlines in the cricket season.
That's a welcome change.


- Varun
Amit Agrawal
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Today�s match is definitely a very tough one for Sania but I am optimistic about her chances.

Anyway, its going to be first time in US open pre quarter for both of them so lets hope that it will not be a one sided game in favor Sharapova.
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Sania Mania seems to have gripped the nation. In a nation which produces mediocre sportsperson, an individual showing just a positive sign is endlessly hyped and adored. She seems to be garnering too much media hype, and this will backfire if she performs below expectations(I hope she does not). Vijay Amritraj had some serious reservations on her technique and serve. Her success seems to be just a good run.

The real credit must go to her parents who had the courage to commit her to an alternate career. Rather than blindly adoring her, it would be sane to consider the above point. In my book I consider Narain karthikeyan to be a greater champion. The sheer hardships he had to endure make him a greater individual.
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Newspapers project the match as a beuty contest. Anyhow it'll be interesting to watch. When it'll start in Indian time?.
Roger Johnson
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creating history today? a third round match in US Open?

Chinese won tennis women's double's gold in athens olympic
Ramesh Choudhary
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creating history today? a third round match in US Open

Well said. But that's the unfortunate predicament of Indian Sport
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Good luck to her! Tennis is a pretty boring spectator sport lately. It could use some fresh blood.


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Damanjit Kaur
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Sania can do really well only If our media just stop glamorizing her and making her too much conscious by putting a lot of expectations on her. Just the way they do some time to our cricket team too to make them so overconfident that they just end up losing.
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Originally posted by Ramesh Choudhary:
In my book I consider Narain karthikeyan to be a greater champion.


Champion ... ??
In the International circuit, apart from the Indianapolis Grand Prix (bycotted by many top teams), what has he done which makes him a champion?
[ September 04, 2005: Message edited by: Varun Khanna ]
Ramesh Choudhary
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In the International circuit, apart from the Indianapolis Grand Prix (bycotted by many top teams), what has he done which makes him a champion


reaching upto formula 1 level is in itself a great achievement. Moreover F1 is all about the car. Less about the skill. A person belonging to a country, whose Roads are a hopeless mess, should be appreciated for reaching to that level. Just look beyond the front pages of our english media(which are all filled with sanias images), you will be in a better position to follow that .
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Amit Agrawal
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Originally posted by Ramesh Choudhary:
Sania Mania seems to have gripped the nation. In a nation which produces mediocre sportsperson, an individual showing just a positive sign is endlessly hyped and adored. She seems to be garnering too much media hype, and this will backfire if she performs below expectations(I hope she does not).




Originally posted by Ramesh Choudhary:


reaching upto formula 1 level is in itself a great achievement. Moreover F1 is all about the car. Less about the skill. A person belonging to a country, whose Roads are a hopeless mess, should be appreciated for reaching to that level. Just look beyond the front pages of our english media(which are all filled with sanias images), you will be in a better position to follow that .

[ September 04, 2005: Message edited by: Ramesh Choudhary ]


Well, You say if Narain karthikeyan reaches upto Formula Level 1 than he shd be appreciated but even if Sania managed to reach pre-quarters in this grand slam event and managed to loose to world no 1 only, its just a positive sign and too much of media hype!!

I hope you would have noticed that in this US open only, Andy Roddick lost in round 1 and Rafael Nadal lost in round 3! So let�s not be rude to her and not call her success 'just a good run'.
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Bit Disappointed!!

Sarapova cruised Sania into quater-final. Itz fourth straight-set victory to her. Sania should atleast gave her good fight not like 6-2, 6-1.
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Anyway Sania lost.
But I have seen her playing when she was in LA.
She really plays very well and she is loosing on international era, not because of the opponent players but because of her own mistakes.

If she improves her game, grand slam title is not difficult for her and for our nation. People like to see her game.

But regd Narain, I am not much optimistick. I is mere an average guy and end up like that.
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Tennis champions don't emerge from nowhere; they're cultivated and winnowed from large, sophisticated academies and programs that develop player skills for years. Until India develops a similar program and support system, it's unlikely it will see a Grand Slam title.

There aren't a whole lot of rags-to-riches or diamonds-in-the-rough stories in tennis.
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Until India develops a similar program and support system, it's unlikely it will see a Grand Slam title.


Infrastructure plays a main role in any sport. Sportspersons are gifted people, and they need quality facilities. By the time they realize deficiencies in training etc., their time is over. Not like other professions where you can fight over the deficient environment for a life time.

Sania's crushing defeat is no surprise. When a legend like Vijay Amritraj aired his reservations over her game, our media and fans ought to have listened to him. Their feet will be on ground until the next grandslam.
Varun Khanna
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Originally posted by Ramesh Choudhary:


reaching upto formula 1 level is in itself a great achievement. Moreover F1 is all about the car. Less about the skill.


Why is it a great achievement when it's all about cars and less about skills ?
Reaching ATP ranking from 300 odd to 40ish in a year isn't normal and deserves appreciation.
Narain isn't showing any sign of improvement, he still aims to complete the race.
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Reaching ATP ranking from 300 odd to 40ish in a year isn't normal and deserves appreciation.


Yes, she deserves appreciation.Just that.Not an iota more. But she seems to be receiving encomiums and adulation. Parading on a open top jeep, proclaiming her as a 'youth icon' etc., drive one mad.

Narain languished on F3 just due to lack of sponsors. he doesn't have any charisma. That's his main problem. Had he recieved the media hype of Sania he would be driving now with Williams and Redbull's. Even Fernando Alonso languished one to two years with Minardi team.Sania seems to have oodles of glamour. I remember my friends flocking to watch her, not her tennis. They took special delight in describing here not her tennis . Describing those comments would be rude in this forum. She seems to be encouraging such people by her lifestyle and attire. If she shuns that we may see a truly respectable champion.
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Varun Khanna
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Originally posted by Ramesh Choudhary:

Narain ... doesn't have any charisma .... Sania seems to have oodles of glamour ...


:roll: :roll:
and I thought we were discussing performances ... !!!

For me they can do whatever they want to in their personal life .. it's the performance that matters. Bottom line is Sania is rising, Narain isn't ..

P.S. though I would love if Narain can prove me wrong.
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P.S. though I would love if Narain can prove me wrong.


He came last in the race y'day.


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R K Singh
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Originally posted by Pradip Bhat:


He came last in the race y'day.


He always comes last ...

I recall headline in TOI that Narain came fifth in race.. but the point they did not publish that there were only five participants in race ...


"Thanks to Indian media who has over the period of time swiped out intellectual taste from mass Indian population." - Chetan Parekh
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P.S. though I would love if Narain can prove me wrong.

well said!! . Let us hope Sania emulates greats like Martina Navratilova and Chris evert, and not detestable glamour dolls like Sharapova or Kournikiva.

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"detestable glamour dolls"

Yikes Ramesh! Since when is good looks a bad thing? There was an hour long documentary or Sharapova a few months ago on telly, and I felt she has worked hard to get where she is, and she totally deserves the attention too. I personally have nothing against a talented player if he/she happened to be good looking!


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basha khan
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Originally posted by Ramesh Choudhary:

well said!! . Let us hope Sania emulates greats like Martina Navratilova and Chris evert, and not detestable glamour dolls like Sharapova or Kournikiva.



What's wrong with mixing some glamour?. It's always good for the people watching. Glamour is a definite +, for tennis and Sania and the watcher(me).
Varun Khanna
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Originally posted by Ramesh Choudhary:

and not detestable glamour dolls like Sharapova or Kournikiva.



Sharapova and Kournikova are sweeties, pls. don't say anything bad about them.
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I thought these glamour dolls appealed to some teenagers on a overdose of hormones. But Javaranch is a forum comprised of grown up people. Or is it not?
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We make a point of not caring, or so I hope. Kournikova may not be ever be a world-class tennis player; she's nice to look at. There's no harm in either of those things.
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Originally posted by Ramesh Choudhary:

I remember my friends flocking to watch her, not her tennis. They took special delight in describing here not her tennis


Originally posted by Ramesh Choudhary:
I thought these glamour dolls appealed to some teenagers on a overdose of hormones.


:roll: :roll:
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Tennis champions don't emerge from nowhere; they're cultivated and winnowed from large, sophisticated academies and programs that develop player skills for years. Until India develops a similar program and support system, it's unlikely it will see a Grand Slam title.


ok I accept India doesn't have infrastructure for tennis and may be after couple of years just by creating hype because of her own limitation Sania may become one glamour girl to see in headlines in news paper or a sports icon without big achievement.

But I believe all the players don't need infrastructure to grow. People like Vishwnath Anand developed themselves.
Even you can take example of IT industry, it just grown amazingly without any infrastructure. Even you goto Bangalore(it is counted second after sillicon valley) but still there are lot many basic things are not available, which is a must in US.

So growth doesn't need infrastructure. It needs target and killing instinct to achieve the target.
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quote riginally posted by Ramesh Choudhary:

I remember my friends flocking to watch her, not her tennis. They took special delight in describing here not her tennis



quote riginally posted by Ramesh Choudhary:
I thought these glamour dolls appealed to some teenagers on a overdose of hormones.


Well I have a fairly long friends circle. That was in my college days a year ago. I wonder whether they would flock to Sania's matches now.
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Amit Agrawal
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Originally posted by Ramesh Choudhary:

Yes, she deserves appreciation.Just that.Not an iota more. But she seems to be receiving encomiums and adulation. Parading on a open top jeep, proclaiming her as a 'youth icon' etc., drive one mad.
.....
Sania seems to have oodles of glamour. I remember my friends flocking to watch her, not her tennis. They took special delight in describing here not her tennis . Describing those comments would be rude in this forum. She seems to be encouraging such people by her lifestyle and attire. If she shuns that we may see a truly respectable champion.

[ September 05, 2005: Message edited by: Ramesh Choudhary ]



1) Steffi Graph, Gabriella Sabatini, Kournikova, Sharapova ...list may be endless. Tennis always had glamour gals who have done quite well on court. So what's wrong if Sania doesn't want to grow up as you or Mr. Vijay Amritraj wanted her to grow and has chosen a glamorous path?

2) "They took special delight in describing her not her tennis"

so? whose problem is that anyway?

As far as game is concerned, probably its better for Tennis as well that Sania is getting those people to watch tennis who otherwise flock to movie halls only. and who knows, if in the whole process these guys may actually develop interest in Tennis!!

3) This whole stuff sounds quite similar to speeches of India's self proclaimed Moral Guards who can not stand a girl trying to do things with touch of glamour...either she shd be 'good mannered as thought by you� or she is 'trying to get publicity with wrong means', right?



Originally posted by Ramesh Choudhary:
Well I have a fairly long friends circle. That was in my college days a year ago. I wonder whether they would flock to Sania's matches now.

[ September 05, 2005: Message edited by: Ramesh Choudhary ]



Oh Yeah......don't worry we understand that....

What will be good is don't worry much for Sania either as she probably doesn't give a damn to what her critic think. She has got her way of doing things and she is quite successful with that.
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What will be good is don't worry much for Sania either as she probably doesn't give a damn to what her critic think. She has got her way of doing things and she is quite successful with that.

The greatest danger to indian sports persons are so called fans, who are led by blind conviction and a rationality smaller than a rat's brain, who shower encomiums during good times and rain stones when the time is not so good. I hope Sania realizes about such people and ignores them. Critics point out flaws in the game and it is upto the sports person to realize it or leave it.

This whole stuff sounds quite similar to speeches of India's self proclaimed Moral Guards who can not stand a girl trying to do things with touch of glamour

I may not be a so called moral gaurd. But definitely I am not a whingeing liberalist, an insane human being that does not know difference between a uncivilized stone age society and cultivated modern society. Such human being craves to return to the stone age customs of zero self control, unchecked amorous behaviour etc.,. And moreover such human beings occupy the front row in shouting at any entity that proposes restraint. That shout is an ugly snarl rather than a calculated critic.

BTW I am not against humans of female kind dismantling the male bastions. We will have a better place when women start breaking glass ceilings. It is already happening and so called Moral Guards will not stop it. Moreover these whingeing liberalists are better palced to carry on their business rather than setting barometers , often ludicrous, for such progress.

I am against using glamour in any field other than show biz industry. The problem seems to be that we easily get enamoured by glamour, which often covers up many other deficiencies. There are many bewildering and wonderful entities other than glamour. Imagine your promotion being boggled up by a glamorous and slightly inferior human being. Glamour is permissible for show-biz but not for a dime more.

I hope the argument ends here. Sania cannot loose to a no.500 just because of some critics and cannot be No.1 due to some of her blind and ardent fans. I would like to see a great champ like Chris Evert(many so called Sania fans may scratch their heads listening this name)in Sania, not a half baked mix of glamour and athlete like Kournikova.

If you implied me to be a supporter of BJP, I am honoured. I may not approve of some elements of western culture, but I definitely would not break the glasses of shops selling valetines day cards. In a nutshell I would hate to be a sulking and self-professed pseudo-secularist. Nor I like seeing a intolerant male chauvinist.
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Varun Khanna
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Originally posted by Ramesh Choudhary:

The greatest danger to indian sports persons are so called fans, who are led by blind conviction and a rationality smaller than a rat's brain, who shower encomiums during good times and rain stones when the time is not so good.


So you have identified fans to be the greatest danger to Indian sports?

Originally posted by Ramesh Choudhary:

I hope Sania realizes about such people and ignores them. Critics point out flaws in the game and it is upto the sports person to realize it or leave it.


and you feel critics are perfect?
It requires just 3 to 4 failures from Sachin and you will see people like Saba Karim, Sidhu coming on television channels showing how Sachin should hold the bat and how his back foot is not making X degrees with the shoulders and all crap.
So should Sachin start listening to them and Sania to Amritraj as well? Why only Amritraj ? probably to Ramesh krishnan too? may be to Leander Paes too? Aren'they all great?

I guess, as others said, leave it upto Sania to decide what she should wear, what she should eat and whom she should listen to.

Currently she is doing progressing well and people are appereciating no harm in that. If this and comments put by others still doesn't convince you, well, let's agree to disagree !
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Ramesh Choudhary
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Hi varun my reply was directed at a particular post. I do not want to offend anybody. As I said I would love to see a champion like Chris Evert from our own country.
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http://www.telegraphindia.com/1050911/asp/nation/story_5224491.asp

Read this and you will understand how far the Sania Mania has gone. Humpy
has a WORLD championship under her belt and so does Hari Krishna. My Advice, look beyond the front pages of TOI and other such hopeless pieces of lopsided hype.

I wanted the thread to hibernate, but the predicament of Koneru Humpy is really pitiable. No wonder we have loosing sportspersons in all games.
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Like anyone knows who even the top five women chess players in the world are...
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Michael Ernest
Like anyone knows who even the top five women chess players in the world are...


Who are they?
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Don't know! That's my point. I don't watch tennis either, but I can recognize a bunch of players because their pictures are everywhere and people talk about them.

Professional sports, as well a lot of high-profile amateur sports, are entertainment, the most purely democratic form there is. If people want to see it, it gets attention, money, coverage, and yes, people of power circling around it. When you add beautiful, charismatic people to it, it's even more intense. Anna Kournikova has how many tennis titles again?

Being among in the world at any human endeavor is a formidable accomplishment, but the recognition one receives for it is mostly not a matter of fairness. It's a matter of what the people care about.

You certainly can't expect the majority of any population to value skills at a game they may not even understand, for which chess certainly qualifies.
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Well said Michael E.
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