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Ankit Garg
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I was just searching for Kathy Sierra's posts on javaranch and I found this

http://www.coderanch.com/t/2220/Ranch-Office/Interview-Kathy-Sierra

In the third post or so, there is an emoticon indicating no-no. Where is that emoticon now?? Has it been removed or was it a part of some older forum software. Were there any more emoticons which are not available now. Can you please make them available. It would be fun to use the new (or I can say old) emoticons...


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They have been removed. Someone complained that they were vulgar.


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Ulf Dittmer
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The icon is still available as you can see. It's just a bit harder to use now.

But in general, the trend is towards fewer emoticons, not more of them. If you look around the forum, these icons are overused as it is; adding more would just seem to make that worse.


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Ankit Garg
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Originally posted by Ulf Dittmer:
The icon is still available as you can see. It's just a bit harder to use now.

But in general, the trend is towards fewer emoticons, not more of them. If you look around the forum, these icons are overused as it is; adding more would just seem to make that worse.


Right! I tried every trick that I could to use it. I looked at the source, but there was just an img tag there. I tried to quote the user but it said that there is something wrong with the user account.

You are right that in many cases emoticons are over used but I thought it would be more fun to use some new emoticons
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Use the force, Luke! :-)
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Ankit Garg
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Hey! You are using image tags, isn't these emoticons available directly

I tried everything I could

:nono:
:no-no:
:no:

But none works
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Mike Simmons
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[Ankit]: I tried everything I could

Except for image tags, apparently. Which you acknowledge that you knew about, right? I'm not sure what the problem is then.



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Ankit Garg
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Sorry mike for editing my post . I really thought that the emoticons would be accessible by using a pattern which I would have to insert manually. But seems like image tags are the only options left now
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But seems like image tags are the only options left now

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Ankit Garg
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Originally posted by Christophe Verre:

Come to the dark side of the force


What do you mean by that?? This is getting really funny for me. Everyone is posting unique emoticons ...
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Originally posted by Ankit Garg:
I really thought that the emoticons would be accessible by using a pattern which I would have to insert manually. But seems like image tags are the only options left now


Not to spoil the fun by actually explaining the issue, but the reason there's no shortcut for this emoticon is that it can be misunderstood. The name is "nono", and I think you know that it's supposed to be a person wagging their index finger saying "That's a no-no!", a humorous way of saying that something is a bad idea, and shouldn't be done. But occasionally, someone would misunderstand it: they would think instead that it's a person holding up their middle finger, "flipping the bird" (an obscene gesture in many Western cultures.) This happened often enough that we eventually decided to remove the shortcut.


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Ankit: I edited my post above since it sounded unduly harsh. Sorry about that. Cheers!
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That's fine EFH, but what happened to the actual "flipping the bird" emoticon? Surely enabling both would remove the confusion?
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Originally posted by David O'Meara:
Surely enabling both would remove the confusion?
Only if both were used in the same post.


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You know what I think about that? Well I can't tell you because I don't have the right emoticon!
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Originally posted by David O'Meara:
You know what I think about that? Well I can't tell you because I don't have the right emoticon!


I think I have this emoticon...

(puts a copy in the trash)

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Christophe Verré
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I feel that the emoticon is close to the nono one and should be removed too. Look at this thread. What should I feel about this ?
Ankit Garg
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Originally posted by Christophe Verre:
I feel that the emoticon is close to the nono one and should be removed too. Look at this thread. What should I feel about this ?


Ha Ha Ha! The thread that you provided uses this emoticon uselessly. But please don't remove this one. It is a very useful one...
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Originally posted by Ernest Friedman-Hill:
..it's a person holding up their middle finger, "flipping the bird" (an obscene gesture in many Western cultures.)..


Scientific studies have proven that there is no culture where this is not taken as offensive. It's roots can be traced as far back as ancient Egypt, when it was represented as .
In my local lingo, it is called "digital communication"


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Originally posted by Henry Wong:

(puts a copy in the trash)

To me, the one in the trash looks like he's picking his nose, not flipping anyone the bird.


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Originally posted by fred rosenberger:

To me, the one in the trash looks like he's picking his nose, not flipping anyone the bird.



Hmmm.... Yeah, it does. I guess I wasn't paying much attention...


(puts another one in the trash)



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Ankit Garg
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I can't understand a single word being talked about here...
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Originally posted by Ankit Garg:


What do you mean by that?? This is getting really funny for me. Everyone is posting unique emoticons ...

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Ankit Garg
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Oops! I have heard of Star Wars but never saw that. I have only seen two English TV shows, Friends and Sienfeld...
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Originally posted by Ankit Garg:
English TV shows, Friends and Sienfeld...


English??? :roll:



I shall be not at all disappointed to see the last of those animated smilies.
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Originally posted by Campbell Ritchie:
English???

They speak English on Seinfeld, don't they? :-) I suppose we could debate the difference between English and British...
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This has come up several times in the past in MD. Many Indians say "English movies" or "English TV shows" when they mean movies or TV shows in English. This invariably causes confusion because people from the rest of the English-speaking world would use those phrases to mean movies or TV shows from England. But it's nothing new.
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Correct Mike!

Your suggestion to avoid future confusions?
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You could refer to American movies and TV shows as... oh, I don't know, "American movies and TV shows."
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This thread is becoming a probable candidate to be moved to the Meaningless Drivel forum
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Really, it depends what the speaker (or writer) intends. If the speaker cares about whether a film is American as opposed to English, Scottish, Australian, etc, then use those terms. But if the speaker cares more about whether the film uses the English language as opposed to Hindi, German, Urdu, French, Tamil etc, then it's useful to say "English-language film" rather than "English film". At least if you want to be understood by most non-Indians. If you say "English film", most non-Indians will think you mean films from England, or at least predominantly made by English people. (It can get messy in the modern world of internationally-produced media.)

Conversely, it's useful for English-speakers everywhere to remember that there are regional variations in usage. And to consider that if someone makes a statement that seems nonsensical or silly, it's possible that they're just using a slightly different idiom than you're used to. Consider alternate interpretations.

As for the post that led us down this path...

[Ankit]: Oops! I have heard of Star Wars but never saw that. I have only seen two English TV shows, Friends and Sienfeld...

Much of the original Star Wars was filmed in England, as it happens. And the English TV show Friends was actually known as Coupled over there. The creator went on to bigger and better things writing for the new Doctor Who, however. I don't know about any English Sienfeld, nor Seinfeld. Maybe someone more familiar with TV over there can suggest an option...
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I don't know about any English Sienfeld

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Originally posted by Mike Simmons:
Much of the original Star Wars was filmed in England, as it happens.

I like that some bits of it were filmed in Tunisia, in the same location as Life of Brian.

And the English TV show Friends was actually known as Coupled over there.

A quick search comes up empty for Couples; are you maybe thinking of Coupling? I thought that was rather different than Friends, though.
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Originally posted by Mike Simmons:
And the English TV show Friends was actually known as Coupled over there. The creator went on to bigger and better things writing for the new Doctor Who, however.


Friends was actually known as Friends over here.
Coupling was an entirely different show (although it did involve three male and three female characters who were often to be found sitting on a sofa (except the sofa was in a bar rather than a coffee shop)). The humour was a lot more sexual - can you imagine an episode of Friends that revolves around discussing (in detail) the 'plot' of a video called Lesbian Spank Inferno ? NBC (I think) tried to make an American version of it, but I believe it flopped.

You're right about Stephen Moffat going on to write for Doctor Who - in fact he is soon taking over as executive producer.


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Peace Please . By english sienfeld, I meant sienfeld which had english as it's language. All the other serials that I watch are in Hindi so I called it English serial
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Originally posted by Ernest Friedman-Hill:
You could refer to American movies and TV shows as... oh, I don't know, "American movies and TV shows."


but Canada, Mexico, Ecuador and a whole bunch of other countries are also in "America", and many of those shows would be in French, Spanish, or a host of other languages.

How about "U.S. movies and TV shows"?
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How about "U.S. movies and TV shows"?

But then, Mexico's official name also includes "Estados Unidos", so that may not do, either.

Pet peeve of mine, though - to use the name of the continent for the country. A certain lady recently caught a lot of flak for allegedly thinking that "Africa" was a country. :-)
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I was joking about Coupling - hence the winkie. Sure, they were different, but similar in many ways too. And I remember on one of the Region 1 DVDs, there's an interview with Moffat acknowledges the inspiration. Though I expect he's tired of people asking him about it now. And yes, I'm pretty current with Doctor Who news.

[Fred]: but Canada, Mexico, Ecuador and a whole bunch of other countries are also in "America", and many of those shows would be in French, Spanish, or a host of other languages.

While that's true, I think it's also a lost cause at this point in the English language unless someone finds a good alternative that works in as many contexts (as both noun and adjective). E.g. "US Citizen" or "person from the US" are klunkier than "American", and unlikely to be adopted widely. And most Canadians I know are happier if they're not considered to be part of America at this point. Of course if you're speaking Spanish, there's much more incentive to stick to the original (wider) definition of America - because widespread usage actually agrees with that meaning.

[Fred]: How about "U.S. movies and TV shows"?

[Ulf]: But then, Mexico's official name also includes "Estados Unidos", so that may not do, either.


Out of curiosity, has anyone here ever heard of anyone referring to Mexico as simply "U.S."? I think this objection is pretty far out there. Much like USA could refer to the University of Southern Alabama - so what? I respect the point about American, but come on.
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