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How to improve logical thinking?

Rahul Noel
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Hi,
How to improve logical thinking while doing projects? how can we know we are thinking and doing right?


Thanks in Advance.
Maneesh Godbole
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You can't.
Either you have it in you or don't.


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Sri Anand
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Its to devolep Logical thinking we do all the math and science problems , Keep solving puzzles, elementary maths problems , and reasoning problem that way you can improve your ability to think.
there is nothing like you dont have its a skill that can be devoleped
Chandra Bhatt
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hi,

I see, Rahul asked about improving not developing from scratch.


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Challenge assumptions. Start by verifying what you think you know, because that's your foundation for everything that follows. Instead of saying, "We know X," try to say, "We know X because..."


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Originally posted by Maneesh Godbole:
... Either you have it in you or don't.

Some ruminations:

There might be people for whom "logical" thought patterns don't come naturally, but I think they can learn those patterns. The problem is, that's the easy part, and it's not enough.

The first real challenge is for them to recognize when they need to switch gears and employ those learned patterns instead of relying on their "native" (intuitive or emotional) response. This is difficult because of a chicken/egg paradox: The choice to use logic (when it doesn't come naturally) is itself a logical decision, and it's not even something that would occur to them. It's like relying on a computer to tell you when to turn the computer on. So they need to train themselves to use these skills even when it doesn't seem appropriate or necessary.

But even if they learn logical thinking patterns and "force" themselves to use them, the biggest hurdle remains. Can they trust these conclusions when the results contradict their intuitive or emotional response? Here again, there is a paradox, because if logic is not their natural approach, then accepting logical conclusions requires a certain "faith." And where does that come from?
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Originally posted by Rahul Sahu:
...how can we know we are thinking and doing right?

See Descartes' Discourse on the Method (of Rightly Conducting the Reason, and Searching for Truth in the Sciences).
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Sri Anand
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I see, Rahul asked about improving not developing from scratch.


You can improve skill by problem solving, Some of it is also experience that will help you make better decisions
Chetan Parekh
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You got to read Edward de Bono.


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Harshad Khasnis
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Here is my definition of logic :

Logic is the systematic way to come to wrong conclusion with confidence

Do you still wanna improve on that?
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Akhilesh Trivedi
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But first how to think? :roll:


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Chetan Parekh
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Originally posted by Akhilesh Trivedi:
But first how to think? :roll:



Few years back I read couple of chapters from Teach Yourself How To Think. Bono is the legend of this field. Although majority of his books are written in an academic way, but still they are good to read material.
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Akhilesh Trivedi
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Originally posted by Chetan Parekh:
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Few years back I read couple of chapters from Teach Yourself How To Think. Bono is the legend of this field. Although majority of his books are written in an academic way, but still they are good to read material.



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Polya's How to Solve It is a worthwhile read on the topic, one of the classics.


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Originally posted by Ernest Friedman-Hill:
Polya's How to Solve It is a worthwhile read on the topic, one of the classics.

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I see a lot of recommendations for Bono, but Bono is a proponent of Lateral Thinking:
Lateral thinking is about reasoning that is not immediately obvious and about ideas that may not be obtainable by using only traditional step-by-step logic.

Since the OP is asking about logical thinking, Bono is probably not the best source to recommend.
I took a course in logic back in my college days (the philosophy kind, not the electronic kind) and we started with Aristotle's fallacies and wound up doing trigonometric proofs.


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I heard, get a good nights sleep, and also eating Almonds help.

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sudipto shekhar
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mathematics is the best way to improve your logic.
I think one should always be in touch of mathematics...like solving small aptitude problems or solving puzzles.Playing mind games also helps improve your logic.


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Bert Bates
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Very high on the list should be getting aerobically fit! It does amazing things for the brain - probably has to do with blood flow and so on


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Sri Anand
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Have Good Vacation every year to refresh yourself and reenergize
Dont do more than 8 hours of day to maintain good Quality of work
engage in physical activity, swim, aerobics anything
keep some time for yourself in day apart from work to relax and refresh
Solve puzzles , math
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Perform the mentally challenging tasks first thing in the morning when your brain is fresh and relaxed.

Followed by repetitive or monotonous tasks that requires. You can refersh your brain in between with a walk, jog or a run for 20-30 minutes.


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http://www.pragprog.com/titles/ahptl/pragmatic-thinking-and-learning
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You can also develop you logic by not dealing with girls since they require no-logic.
Joe Ess
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Paying attention to details like how old a topic is before replying to it.
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Step 1) learn to recognize fallacies.

Step 2) Develop the patience to unravel fallacies. After all, if you are discussing an engineering problem with somebody that uses fallacies to support their position, then you cannot move forward until you have first unravelled the fallacy.

Step 3) Teach your boss about fallacies. That way, your boss can discern between those that are engineers and those that are not. And then fire those that are not.


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Here's a little something about fallacies: http://www.javaranch.com/fallacy.jsp
 
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