Hibernate ?

Is there any kind of developer certifaction for Hibernate?
Thanks
AR

You can give SCBCD 5 which tests your knowledge in JPA and Hibernate is an implementation of JPA. So SCBCD 5 would be the best certification to give.

I agreed with Jothi that taking SCBCD 5.0 is a good way to learn OR-mapping.

But I don't think that Hibernate is an implementation of JPA, you don't mean that literally, right?

Originally posted by Kengkaj Sathianpantarit:
But I don't think that Hibernate is an implementation of JPA, you don't mean that literally, right?

The JPA standard was based mostly off of Hibernate practices.

However, you can use Hibernate with or without adhering to JPA. So... yes, you could say that it has an implementation of JPA.

I don't we can say A is an implementation of B, if A doesn't implement interfaces defined in B.

Otherwise, we can say C# is an implementation of Java language specifications or vice-versa.

Originally posted by Kengkaj Sathianpantarit:
I don't we can say A is an implementation of B, if A doesn't implement interfaces/specifications defined in B.

Otherwise, we can say C# is an implementation of Java language specifications or vice-versa.

In case of JPA, it's API, so anything that claims to be an implementation of JPA needs to implement JPA interfaces.

Originally posted by Kengkaj Sathianpantarit:
In case of JPA, it's API, so anything that claims to be an implementation of JPA needs to implement JPA interfaces.

Hibernate does implement JPA through Hibernate EntityManager and Hibernate Annotations.

Originally posted by Marc Peabody:

Hibernate does implement JPA through Hibernate EntityManager and Hibernate Annotations.

OK, for me Hibernate is not implementation of JPA, but as you said (or as hibernate.org said) Hibernate implements JPA through Hibernate EntityManager and Hibernate Annotations.

I wonder about their wording, they can just say Hibernate EntityManager implements JPA. Maybe they just want to say it that way to sound like Hibernate is an implementation of JPA.

Saying Hibernate implements JPA via XXX, it's like saying JDK implements logging using java.util.logging module. But we cannot say JDK is an implementation of Log, can we?

"Hibernate" is not equal Hibernate EntityManager and Hibernate Annotations.
[ December 16, 2008: Message edited by: Kengkaj Sathianpantarit ]

In the sense of concrete class implementing API, yes, Hibernate implements JPA. You main argue the Hibernate is before JPA and how an implementation can be before API? Actually quite some Hibernate people were part of JPA's expert group. It is quite safe to say that JPA was from Hibernate.

James Angel wrote:In the sense of concrete class implementing API, yes, Hibernate implements JPA. You main argue the Hibernate is before JPA and how an implementation can be before API?

No, my main argument is, Hibernate as a whole is not an implementation of JPA, but a part of Hibernate, Hibernate Entity Manager implements JPA.

It's like we say JDK is an implementation of Logging API which is wrong.

it is just a matter of prespective you can argue about it all day long

i prefer to use hibenate with .hbm fiels while other prefer with annotations and we both had our
points.

I am not sure this will help or not. But there is beta version specific for JPA only.

I am not able to paste the URL here, but you can check oracle certification site.

Kengkaj Sathianpantarit wrote:I agreed with Jothi that taking SCBCD 5.0 is a good way to learn OR-mapping.

But I don't think that Hibernate is an implementation of JPA, you don't mean that literally, right?

I think I missed out the word "reference". So Hibernate is the reference implementation of JPA. By implementation I do not mean interface implementation but rather the JPA specifications. Is there a doubt that once you claim to know JPA, you do not know how to work with Hibernate?