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Benefit of an on-site opportunity.

ramya narayanan
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Dear all,
I'm from India.
I want to know what is the benefit of an on-site opportunity.
Approximately how much we can save through this opportunity.
I've seen people compromising on their interests, salary, satisfaction, self-esteem in their current company hoping that they would be sent for on-site one day? Is this a right approach?
What if I hop my job continuously. Whether I won't be sent for on-site?

Middle class parents in India also want their 1 yr or 2 yr experienced wards to go on-site.
So that's the intent of this topic?
Regards.
Abhijit Kumar
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I have been onsite for few weeks (UK) and apart from flying international and seeing clean roads, I was able to save a tidy amount of allowance.

Overall, it was a good experience with some good amount to take back home.

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ramya narayanan
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1)Apart from short-term monetary benefits what are the long-term prospects & benefits of availing on-site opportunity?
2) When can an average software programmer expect an on-site?
In some companies it is standardized.
For ex: In one of the major MNC once you complete 2 yrs of service there,
you will have more chances of going on-site?
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arulk pillai
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It will give you a different perspective and can enhance your client facing skills along with other soft skills.


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Prabhat Gupta
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If you are at On-Site, you might get chance to learn and understand your client business in better way as well as exposure to international market.It is always good in your resume to mention your on-site work experience.More over some people take this as an opportunity for higher education.I know many people who have got their higher education while being at on-site.

When can an average software programmer expect an on-site?

that varies according to your employer as well as client for whom you are working .In most of cases it depends upon client's profile ,project size in terms of revenue,duration as well as market conditions also.
[ November 24, 2008: Message edited by: Prabhat Gupta ]
Shilpa Roy
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Some of the pros i can think of
* Opportunity to work with clients / users.
* Onsite-offshore coordination experience.
* Get to know a new/different culture.
* and misc things like: foriegn travel/stay, extra allowances etc.
Sri Anand
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I've seen people compromising on their interests, salary, satisfaction, self-esteem in their current company hoping that they would be sent for on-site one day? Is this a right approach?
What if I hop my job continuously. Whether I won't be sent for on-site?



The Market these days isnt Good,to get onsite these days is real tough business are looking to cut down the costs. to get to Onsite there are plenty of ways one is you can make your own H1B applying to one of Indian consultants here and then come over and search for Job , these Indian Consultants do give you that much time
If you need to go through your company, most companies prefer to send good permformers, you need to win your managers confidence as reliable resources,also you would need to be in project that has scope for onsite opportunity
Big names( i mean big companies) do have more onsite opportunities, there is no harm jumping to those companies but its same again you would need to prove yourself, yes definately you will get a chance much earlier in these companies, but if you try to negotiate this as part of Job application its less of chance that this would be accepted they are not going(I mean HR) to commit to you that you will be sent to Onsite. You will be assured there are plenty of such opportunites if you prove yourself you will get the opportunity

If you are at onsite you will get much better Pay perks, so its not wrong if you have promising opportunity and you are working for little less in India, most of companies will utilize you on these trade off issues, I am not sure what you meant by compromising on self esteem.


Middle class parents in India also want their 1 yr or 2 yr experienced wards to go on-site.


This really has nothing to do with onsite, its your negotiation skills and reasonable good performance and business opportunity


Your next Question what do expect from Onsite
on your Career prospective its going do add good weightage to your resume
you will get better feel of business and what exactly you are doing this on long terms help you analyze and communicate the issues better
you are definately going to get better financial package for the time you worked in Onsite
you will get feel of different culture and people , you can learn to be more accomodative and open minded
Above all you will start to understand your work better
[ November 24, 2008: Message edited by: Sri Anand ]
krish pan
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In which Companies should one get into get Quick Onsite ? Where can I find a list of such companies ?
Prabhat Gupta
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There is not any hard and fast rule for quick on-site opportunity .It depends on nature of work that employer has along with client's requirement.But i feel ,compare to product development companies,service provider companies have good records for on-site opportunity.
Himanshu Gupta
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I will say that it all depends upon Luck. AS above mentioned NO RULES are applied here.


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Karnati Sudhakar
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I will say that it all depends upon Luck. AS above mentioned NO RULES are applied here.


me too..


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Sudhakar
Sri Anand
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I will say that it all depends upon Luck. AS above mentioned NO RULES are applied here.[


I dont completly agree here, you have to make right choices, you will need to find the project which has onsite opportunities, also you need to be a reliable resource in the project,then you need convey and convince your managers that you are aspiring for onsite and you are right choice, you can be sure if you are good in couple of projects you will be choice in atleast 3rd project.Also you should be ready to move out if are not moving towards your goal in a span 1 + years

.It depends on nature of work that employer has along with client's requirement.But i feel ,compare to product development companies,service provider companies have good records for on-site opportunity.


Thats right, this is what you need to choose carefully , you may not have choice for kind of projects your work for initial first 1 or 2 years but as you time in company increases you can discuss about your goals with HR and your manager they might be able to help you
[ November 26, 2008: Message edited by: Sri Anand ]
Karnati Sudhakar
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Sri Anand,

I guess you must be a manager..

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Sudhakar
Prabhat Gupta
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I will say that it all depends upon Luck


Not completely agree with this. Luck mostly matters when there is limited offer for on-site project and number of contenders are more . But in most cases employer considers person's competency,his/her work experience as well as domain knowledge also .
In some companies there is a method called "Lottery System " to select a person for on-site job.
Sri Anand
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In some companies there is a method called "Lottery System " to select a person for on-site job.


I haven't heard of this in my last 10 years of working with Software companies
Prabhat Gupta
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I haven't heard of this in my last 10 years of working with Software companies


If there are there are many persons having more or less same profile for limited onsite opportunity ,then lucky ones are selected by lottery-method.I have been witness of such methodology
[ December 02, 2008: Message edited by: Prabhat Gupta ]
Sri Anand
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If there are there are many persons having more or less same profile for limited onsite opportunity ,then lucky ones are selected by lottery-method.I have been witness of such methodology


Most of the places i worked its decided on basis of how senior you are in the company, then was this promised to you and then if there are more people and fewer onsite then they, send each of them for 3 to 4 months
Karnati Sudhakar
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Recently i have seen a person who refused the on-site opportunity offered to him.I am really wondering if there are people who are not interested in On-site opportunity.I just want to know apart from personal reasons what could be the reason for an employee for showing interest in Off-shore rather than On-site.Are there any advantages in working off-shore?

Regards
Sudhakar
Sri Anand
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I just want to know apart from personal reasons what could be the reason for an employee for showing interest in Off-shore rather than On-site.Are there any advantages in working off-shore?


Poor pay package at onsite.
Difficult client
unpredictable work hours(usually in support projects)
need to cook food, wash cloths do all stuff ( not ideal for lazy bugs)
krish pan
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Apart from my last posting regarding quick onsite opportunity in the current thread, I need to mention that its almost 9 yrs. of exp. with J2EE now and still I didnt get any onsite opportunity. And the scenario is my passport is expiring this year, without a single stamp on it.
Pradeep bhatt
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Originally posted by krish pan:
Apart from my last posting regarding quick onsite opportunity in the current thread, I need to mention that its almost 9 yrs. of exp. with J2EE now and still I didnt get any onsite opportunity. And the scenario is my passport is expiring this year, without a single stamp on it.


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Sri Anand
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still I didnt get any onsite opportunity

did you work in same company in last 9 years
did you ever communicate to your HR or Manager that you want to be Onsite
does your current project have any Onsite ?
do the companies you work have Onsite/Offshore Model ?
krish pan
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did you work in same company in last 9 years
---- NO

did you ever communicate to your HR or Manager that you want to be Onsite
---- Yes I have communicated.. But some how didnt find any opportunity till now. I work in a well known product based company. Now working in a brand company also puts one in dilemma. You would stick to that place since you have a brand behind and wont consider other onsite job opportunites unless you get an opportunity with any other brand.

does your current project have any Onsite ?
--- Current project doesnt seem to have any onsite as such

do the companies you work have Onsite/Offshore Model
--- since I am in a product based company, long term onsites are again questionable. Limited onsite/offshore model projects.

Save meeeeeeee My passport is expiring
Arjun Shastry
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Originally posted by krish pan:

Save meeeeeeee My passport is expiring

Renew passport



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Shiaber Shaam
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According to me, Onsite takes you to the next level in your career. If not for money, for our career growth, an onsite is very much needed, that too for a 2 years experienced developer in an indian services company.


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venugopal kvenugopal
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Hi,
I am currently working in India. I fot an offer from a company called eBusinessware which sponsers H1B visa for 2009-2010.
They said like they will provide flight charges, accommodation and salary even on bench.

But one important thing here is they are asking bank guatentee of 85000 INR.

They are telling like we will be flying in the month of Jan 2010.

Is is suggestable to go ahead. Please suggest, its urgent.
krish pan
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Over all this seems to be a policy of deposit, which is with them, In case you dont fly the amount if forfeited. In case you fly you should get back the money, IDEALLY.

I too have a big dilemma over this question to file an H1 or not. Considering the current scenario this question is difficult to answer and I too am looking for the answer. Yestd. I meet a guy who is onsite in US through a reputed company, over all he said the chances of getting H1 jobs for Indians is limited this year. Mostly companies prefer green card holders and native's. Didnt understand the reason behind this argument. May be newcomers take time to settle and also need to be financed for the same.

Perhaps the company you mentioned is expecting some business in the year 2010, hence it postpones your relocation. So over all breath seems to be revival of markets starting 2010, and recession to continue in 2009.

Can any body answer the question- TO FILE H1 OR NOT this year ??
venugopal kvenugopal
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Hi Kris pan,
Thanks for your reply. But i have one doubt like can we go even after some time with out the help of these H1B employers and search job on our own?
 
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