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software market at Germany and Czech Republic?

Saleem Ali
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hi all.
How is the Software and Java market at Germany?
they study most of IT materials at German language
and , i was there for 2 weeks, seems they lack for good developers.
if they lack for good resources? why not to import experts and give them resident permit visa ?



and what about Czech Republic?



thnx
[ December 19, 2008: Message edited by: Saleem Ali ]
Ulf Dittmer
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why not to import experts and give them resident permit visa ?

Such a possibility did exist for a while (under the term "Green Card"). Not even close to all the allowed visas were given out, so the program was judged a failure and shut down (for the most part).
Language probably had something to do with it - very few companies in Germany have a non-German-speaking work environment, so employees with only marginal German skills generally won't be accommodated.


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Gabriel Claramunt
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Originally posted by Ulf Dittmer:

Such a possibility did exist for a while (under the term "Green Card"). Not even close to all the allowed visas were given out, so the program was judged a failure and shut down (for the most part).
Language probably had something to do with it - very few companies in Germany have a non-German-speaking work environment, so employees with only marginal German skills generally won't be accommodated.

Ahh... they didn't give me the chance to learn it before shutting down...
I can manage with any latin language, but no luck with German, I have to actually study it


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I believe Germany has a good software market because it has some famous software companies like SAP and Intershop etc...


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shan Iyer
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and what about Czech Republic?


And what about Zimbabwe ?


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Saleem Ali
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why they cancel law of (Green Card) ?? it is beneficial for them
Ulf Dittmer
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why they cancel law of (Green Card) ?? it is beneficial for them

Reasonable people can disagree on whether or not that is the case. In this case, the people in charge decided that it's not.
Eric Lemaitre
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Hi shan,

And what about Zimbabwe ?

Without offense this sounds like a very sad and bad joke indeed, this country is in complete bankruptcy, which is only one of its many catastrophic states today, in particular an estimated 231,000,000 % of inflation a year (yes, I said 231 millions of %, no misprint, sorry but reference is in French : ZIMBABWE : 231 MILLIONS POUR CENT D´┐ŻINFLATION !).

And it could and should be much worse, since one of the worse case of hyperinflation (in Germany during the 1920s) went up to an estimated 560,000,000,000 % a year, so 560 billions of %, on its maximum peak of November 1923 (source: In the early 1920s Germany experienced one of the most severe inflations of all time), so considering country's already catastrophic present state while present worldwide crisis will make every country's economics get much worse anyway, Zimbabwe will go much more worse whatever.

Zimbabwe is in such a catastrophic state it will have to collapse completely before being rebuilt from scratch, it cannot be saved any longer, so I frankly believe we shouldn't joke about it.

Best regards.
[ December 27, 2008: Message edited by: Eric Lemaitre ]

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Eric Lemaitre
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Hi Saleem Ali,

why they cancel law of (Green Card) ?? it is beneficial for them

Because this law completely missed its purpose, so it was quickly abandoned as soon as it became obvious. You seem IMHO to be clearly making a mistake if you consider "beneficial" for only "beneficial for economics" aspect, AKA skilled workers immigration, which is only one aspect of the issue bot not the most important one, the most important being the social aspect.

This program was in fact named the "Blue Card" program because it was designed to be the equivalent of US Green Card, but the Europeans wanted to express some kind of difference anyway (IMHO dumb over-pride willingness of not too strictly imitate the US), so blue was chosen because it is the background color of European flag. But the purpose was clearly to boost skilled immigration so as to damper the "baby boom retirement" problem which is already affecting all developed countries and will quickly become a critical issue since many national retirement systems will go into bankruptcy for excess of retired workers with no longer enough active workers to support them if nothing is done.

It happened to be a complete failure because it practically never attracted any skilled worker in Germany, mainly because of the very high rate of taxes for German social security system, and of course the high taxes on income which go along, so many unskilled workers came for social benefits but few skilled workers came in Germany to spend more in taxes than in some other countries as easily accessible. In France the failure was of course much more obvious because taxes are even much higher than in Germany (I believe altogether France has the 2nd highest taxes in the world after Sweden).

The success of Green Card system, or any equivalent system in the world, relies on social aspects before all, the "beneficial for economics" aspect you seem to be stating is only one of them, and it is an extremely complicated issue because it involves non-rational social considerations. The probable massive immigration of skilled workers to come will require a complete redefinition of managing issues induced by the "baby boom retirement" problem which involves an awful lot of issues, mainly: immigration, economics, social, national identity, fiscal, security, political, and geo-strategical domains. Every developed country will have to completely redefine its domestic legislation to cope with it, and it is one of the toughest national challenges to come since with globalization practically all countries are involved.

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Other problems of migrating to Germany were language and business environment.Mastering Head First Design Patterns+ Ruby + JBoss is easier than speaking and writing German(or other forign language)!. During my stay in Germany, I did not find business environment suitable for IT start ups or suitable for contractors.There are IT companies but employee intake is very less compared to US/UK or India.


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Billy Tsai
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Does SAP use Java technologies to develop their products?
Arjun Shastry
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In its Bangalore center,many people work in java.
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Originally posted by Arjun Shastry:
Other problems of migrating to Germany were language and business environment.Mastering Head First Design Patterns+ Ruby + JBoss is easier than speaking and writing German(or other forign language)!. During my stay in Germany, I did not find business environment suitable for IT start ups or suitable for contractors.There are IT companies but employee intake is very less compared to US/UK or India.


How long were you in Germany? Do you speak German?


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Originally posted by Saleem Ali:
why they cancel law of (Green Card) ?? it is beneficial for them


You can differ of opinion about that I think.
Billy Tsai
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Because I know Germany's Intershop has been building all their products and tools using Java technologies since the 90's and still continue to do so. Now with their latest products they have incorporated Web 2.0 (AJAX) behaviours into them
 
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