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Ernest Friedman-Hill
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Was just reading a review of this film in the Washington Post. The first paragraph evokes "a young David Copperfield... in Mumbai". And I thought, "what does this movie have to do with magicians?"

I am so ashamed.

Anybody seen it? Supposed to be good.


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Vikas Kapoor
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EFH,

I just finished the movie. Awesome... It's worth watching. Great work by Danny Boyle and Loveleen Tandan.

FYI : It's in IMDB top 250 list at 153 with 8.5 point.
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Saw it last weekend - pretty good. Some parts may be too grisly or harrowing for some people's tastes, but that's not exactly new for a Danny Boyle film. I'll probably watch it again when it comes to DVD.
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This weekend I am going to read Q&A (a book on which movie is based).


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R K Singh
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Yet to release in India. I also heard that its good movie.

Looking forward to watch it.


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Originally posted by Ernest Friedman-Hill:
.. And I thought, "what does this movie have to do with magicians?"


It refers to this David and not the magician.


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I'm pretty he knows that, now. That's why he wrote "I'm so ashamed." Let's leave the man his dignity., or what's left of it
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Arjun Shastry
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Tomorrow its releasing in India.I am going to watch.
Today I saw some political guys protesting against word the movie contains"Slumdog". Hopefully govt. won't put ban on this film.


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To be fair, any mention of David Copperfield today would have to taken as the author's attempt to misguide the reader.

It's also the wrong comparison, but one literary conversation a week is my week, and I did my quota on this inaugural poem.


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R K Singh
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review of film by rediff

http://inhome.rediff.com/movies/2009/jan/29is-slumdog-worth-it.htm

though i have not seen it but from promos, i guess it is normal bollywood film with songs and may be a twisted story.
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This movie has been in discussion -- although indirectly -- in this forum here...

http://www.coderanch.com/t/425823/Meaningless-Drivel/TEAM-Together-Everyone-Achieves-More

And I agree. It's a really good movie. On the other hand, I think that the rating that it got on IMDB is a bit high.


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Balagopal Kannampallil
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I liked its sound track more than the movie. Great work by A.R.Rahman.


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RKS review of film by rediff
http://inhome.rediff.com/movies/2009/jan/29is-slumdog-worth-it.htm


Wow, that's I think is the best review of SM I read so far. Thanks, Ravish.

That, to me, is Slumdog Millionaire: contrived, pretentious, absurd, hollow, inauthentic, a pseudo-statement about social justice. And yet today the film stands on the precipice of Hollywood's highest honour, the Academy Award for Best Picture.

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Martha Simmons wrote:RKS review of film by rediff
http://inhome.rediff.com/movies/2009/jan/29is-slumdog-worth-it.htm


Wow, that's I think is the best review of SM I read so far. Thanks, Ravish.

That, to me, is Slumdog Millionaire: contrived, pretentious, absurd, hollow, inauthentic, a pseudo-statement about social justice. And yet today the film stands on the precipice of Hollywood's highest honour, the Academy Award for Best Picture.


Social justice, what? Is there a second movie by the name?

In any event, the movie critic who thinks the Academy Awards are high and serious honors has a long and frustrating career ahead of him. The bias in their selections is so intense that the same ideas win over and over again. If Slumdog had made some tie-in to Nazi Germany I'd place a bet on the outcome right now.
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rediff wrote:
Say an Indian director travelled to New Orleans for a few months to film a movie about Jamal Martin, an impoverished African American who lost his home in Hurricane Katrina, who once had a promising basketball career, but who -- following a drive-by shooting -- now walks with a permanent limp, whose father is in jail for selling drugs, whose mother is addicted to crack cocaine, whose younger sister was killed by gang-violence, whose brother was arrested by corrupt cops, whose first born child has sickle cell anaemia, and so on. The movie would be widely panned and laughed out of theatres.


Has this guy ever been to the movies in the US? They make the movie he describes about six times a year.
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Maybe I am jaded, but when a critic goes to such an opposite extreme from the norm -- in these days where everyone is a critic and has a blog... I wonder, in the back of my mind, if the critic is trying to get their 15 minutes of fame, in a Jerry Springer sort of way.

This is not to say that the opinion is invalid, but just wondering if it is somewhat tainted...

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The movie is simple, feel good movie.. but cannot rate it as a master piece..
But happy for music composer: AR Rahman. He gave much better music in his earlier films.. But this is a good starting point for him.. he will get a chance to work for big hollywood movies/directors

For those who never heard his music can start from here..
Bombay movie theme music
Arjun Shastry
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Much appriciated Jai Ho song,I listened on radio atleast 5 times.Its so fast that you can't understand the lyrics.Rahman is definitely good music director but songs in this movie are not something in genius category.
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Ernest Friedman-Hill wrote:

Has this guy ever been to the movies in the US? They make the movie he describes about six times a year.


The difference being none of them win at the globes or the "coveted" oscars.
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Michael Ernest wrote:
In any event, the movie critic who thinks the Academy Awards are high and serious honors has a long and frustrating career ahead of him. The bias in their selections is so intense that the same ideas win over and over again. If Slumdog had made some tie-in to Nazi Germany I'd place a bet on the outcome right now.


The critic meant that in a sarcastic way from what i could make out of my comprehension. On the other hand "some" people in here (India) "do" think of the oscars(or for that matter any "foreign" award) as the zenith, which i feel, smacks of lack of self confidence in those concerned.

PS: I now know how make the font bold as well apart from italics. I hope this is not a way to make me test the application software since its new release.
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OK, if you just "quote" random "words" in your "text", I can't tell what effect you're trying to achieve, but odds are, it's been lost. Maybe you meant to use italics instead? Try the i button next time, found above the text area when you reply to a post.

Devesh wrote:The critic meant that in a sarcastic way from what i could make out of my comprehension

That wasn't my impression. But he probably should have meant it in a sarcastic way. Eh, who knows though? People can read in what they want to, I guess.

Henry wrote:Maybe I am jaded, but when a critic goes to such an opposite extreme from the norm -- in these days where everyone is a critic and has a blog... I wonder, in the back of my mind, if the critic is trying to get their 15 minutes of fame, in a Jerry Springer sort of way.

That's always possible. Critics often gain more readers by dishing out strong opinions than by being lukewarm about a movie. But I think it's quite possible that this is not just opportunism, but rather a reaction to what he perceives as excessive praise. That is, he might not be attacking for the sake of notoriety, but because he simply disagrees with the many accolades?

If I believe A, and a few other people believe not-A, OK. I can politely state my position and be done with it. But if many other people continue to yammer on about not-A, then I may feel compelled to state my position on A in stronger terms. And I may do this even if I don't give a crap about what people think about me - I may simply be passionate in my beliefs about A, spurred on by the masses blathering on about not-A.

Coming back to the movie, I did enjoy it. But I'm a bit mystified by the level of support it's gotten - it wasn't that great, in my opinion. It's not surprising to me that, even as some people obviously liked it more than I did, some liked it less. And for the latter group, the rain of praises may sound a bit tiresome. So yeah, some people will take a more contrary stance as a result. This is normal, even for people not just trying for attention.
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Arjun Shastry wrote:
Rahman is definitely good music director but songs in this movie are not something in genius category.


I am dead sure that Rahman was not expecting awards for such songs ;)

He must have given some routine music to one British director who asked for some bollywood kinda music/songs.

After listening songs in promos and in radios, I felt that, OK they are good, but then I ask, are they good enough to get international award ??
If this is level of international award then every second B+ or A grade bollywood movie has marvelous & great music.

OR is it time to introspect that Indians are so used to high quality, good music they dont find SM music worth intl award ;)
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Winning awards boosts sales. Winning an Oscar boosts the sales of a film for the same reason that race-winning thoroughbreds make more money when put out to stud. It's the recognition that filmmakers covet. The prestige of the award is for anyone who can't turn the recognition into more dollars, more work, better work.

If you want esteem in filmmaking these days, you can to Cannes or Sundance or another festival where the elite of the industry look to see the best of what's happening.
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If we were to give awards to Rehman for his music in Slumdog Millionaire, then one should also consider his other music in several other films in India. He is really a genius.


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I bet this flim if had directed and produced by Indian cast (primarily Indian movie) then would have not recieved such a fame . Its all Globalisation that made this movie a hit. This is lack of interest. Not sure how manyof us showed up the same interest when the novel "Q&A" released by Vikas Swarup.
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And yeah.. If it was made by an Indian, then this film would've recieved less attention. How many of you have saw Taare Zameen Par here?


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All the so called awards, are rigged.
Nicolas Cage got an Oscar for best actor. Sanjay Dutt got a Filmfare for best actor.
I rest my case.
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Sujai Kaarthik wrote:How many of you have saw Taare Zameen Par here?


"Taare Zameen Par" it is out of race of Oscar ;)

But no doubt that it is much better than SM in terms of music and story line.
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But no doubt that it is much better than SM in terms of music and story line


thats what I meant. That little boy deserves an Oscar
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Maneesh Godbole wrote:All the so called awards, are rigged.
Nicolas Cage got an Oscar for best actor. Sanjay Dutt got a Filmfare for best actor.
I rest my case.


Nominations are also rigged sometime in India.
The funniest Indian nomination for Oscar so far is a movie called Jeans.
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"Paheli" instead of "Black" was you call rigging of awards ;-)
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AR.Rahman deserves an oscar for slumdog. And the film was worth watching.


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R K Singh wrote:"Paheli" instead of "Black" was you call rigging of awards ;-)


Black was not original movie, it was based on The Miracle Worker.
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the real slum dog....

the kid can speak ....

slumdog

great!
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Mike Simmons wrote:I'm pretty he knows that, now. That's why he wrote "I'm so ashamed." Let's leave the man his dignity., or what's left of it
Likewise, I wonder how many of singing idol Englebert Humperdink's panty-throwing fans actually know about the opera made from "Hansel and Gretel".
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Sorry folks, but I saw the film and loved it. That's it. I don't care about Oscar's or bafta's or any awards. I don't care if they are rigged or anything else, I don't pay any attention to them. But I would still recommend watching slumdog

The 2 films I would recommend from last/this year are slumdog and In Bruges. Both excellent films with great stories. The story is the film, and that's all she wrote

Great story = great film
Crap story with great effects = crap film
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The 2 films I would recommend from last/this year are slumdog and In Bruges. Both excellent films with great stories. The story is the film, and that's all she wrote



I second "In Bruges". That was also a great movie.

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Frank Silbermann wrote:
Mike Simmons wrote:I'm pretty he knows that, now. That's why he wrote "I'm so ashamed." Let's leave the man his dignity., or what's left of it
Likewise, I wonder how many of singing idol Englebert Humperdink's panty-throwing fans actually know about the opera made from "Hansel and Gretel".

Hah, yes.

I once worked at a company where one of the big bosses was named Walter Scott. I was always tempted to ask him to sign a copy of Ivanhoe for me. I mentioned this to others a few times. Most of my co-workers didn't get it.
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I saw the movie. There are scores of Indian movie which are far better than SM. To name a few which i have seen are

Lagaan, Tare Zameen Par, Do Aankhe Baara Haath, Chatrang ke khiladi, Pitamagan, Anniyan

As many folks here said, i too say, if this was directed by Indian director, i wont even have a space to reply.

If any one had seen Pitamagan , they would agree with me. I am not a die hard fan of some one, but, why cant people show better things of India than showing the dirt.

One last point, will a director from the West direct a movie on say Narayanamoorthy or Abdul Kalam or Ambani's. I adore "Guru", as it talks about how Indians are moving ahead.

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Mike Simmons wrote:
Frank Silbermann wrote:Likewise, I wonder how many of singing idol Englebert Humperdink's panty-throwing fans actually know about the opera made from "Hansel and Gretel".

Hah, yes.

I once worked at a company where one of the big bosses was named Walter Scott. I was always tempted to ask him to sign a copy of Ivanhoe for me. I mentioned this to others a few times. Most of my co-workers didn't get it.



As a side note, last year, the Metropolitan Opera did a production of Hansel and Gretel. It was actually good. It wasn't great, but it was good.

Henry
 
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