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paul wheaton
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I'm a big fan of profanity. I try to work it in as often as I can.

And I'm a big fan of humor in almost any form. I'm willing to overlook all sorts of rudeness if there is a laugh attached.

And I feel a powerful responsibility to do the right thing for this community.

Sometimes, these things conflict. It's really hard to put into words what is okay and what is not okay. Sometimes something is damn funny until your favorite aunt comes around the corner with a disapproving look.

I know that we've had some terrible trouble in the past when we slacked on forum moderation. So I don't ever wanna go there again. Ever. Ug!

So when a joke pops up that's pushing the line on what is decent .... well, it's a tough call. I have a good chuckle and then think "It's too bad I can't leave it there. I can't really put my finger on why, but I can't help but think it's gonna make some good people cranky."

The moderators are doing damn good work for zero pay. I'd be a fool to start laying a bunch of rules and policies for them to decipher. They'd probably just leave. So I gotta keep it simple.

The current process is that any moderator can delete anything that rubs them the wrong way. So every post that still exists has been met with the approval of probably a dozen people. I really like this filtering process.

Hmmmmmm...... It seems to me that if a person found a joke that might make even one moderator's delete button finger itch, they would wanna put a little sugar on it before posting it. Maybe start off with a subject line that warns off the less sturdy. And then an intro that butters up the moderators. Maybe a pass through the joke to soften the language a little.

And then if the moderator tries to talk to you about it, don't be busting their chops. These are good folks doing a helluva job at keeping us all happy.

Maybe if posters followed this guideline, I wouldn't have to figure something out. Things would just be cool and we could all eat some pie.


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Chetan Parekh
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Hey Paul Wheaton! You and all people who are running JR are doing really nice job. It�s not an easy task and not everybody can do.

A big hug to all of you from the bottom of my heart.



Thanks for being so nice and thanks for being there for me.
(This is the last line I used to wrote in all my love letters.)
[ January 20, 2006: Message edited by: Chetan Parekh ]

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John Dunn
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PW: The current process is that any moderator can delete anything that rubs them the wrong way. So every post that still exists has been met with the approval of probably a dozen people. I really like this filtering process.

Yikes... Hard to believe I actually got to 1000!!! (There might well be a bug in the filtering process.)


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Jesus Angeles
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Originally posted by John Dunn:
PW: The current process is that any moderator can delete anything that rubs them the wrong way. So every post that still exists has been met with the approval of probably a dozen people. I really like this filtering process.

Yikes... Hard to believe I actually got to 1000!!! (There might well be a bug in the filtering process.)


Now that you mentioned, they'll start reviewing your old posts. It might shrink to 10.
Ernest Friedman-Hill
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In another thread (now deleted!), I said that JR is "a family website", and raised a few eyebrows. I didn't think to mention something that guides me when I come in here:

A couple of months back, we had a very active member who was an 8th grader (12 or 13 years old.) He was a national spelling bee finalist. He was also learning Java, and he hung out at the Ranch a lot for a few weeks. A very nice boy.

Whenever I read in MD, I think about that kid. If I read something that I really feel uncomfortable about a 12-year old reading, well, then I'm very likely to delete it. I try to be as generous as I can in this judgement -- it's not like 12-year-olds don't tell dirty jokes themselves. But if I see something that's racist, or misogynistic, or in any way would suggest to that kid that's it's OK to be not-nice to other people, then my trigger finger gets itchy.

Remember that this is just me talking. There are a passel of bartenders for this forum, and lots of other sheriffs at the Ranch, so there are plenty of other attitudes that contribute to what happens in here. But I thought you'd like to hear one of them.


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John Dunn
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Jesus: Now that you mentioned, they'll start reviewing your old posts. It might shrink to 10.
God****it Jesus, don't give 'em any f'ing ideas!! [blasphemy?]

Just kidding. The challenge is to be rancorously, barbaric with the insults in such a clever fashion, so that they simply won't get deleted or cause any offense. It's not always so easy.
Stan James
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Layne Lund
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As I posted in another thread, I saw Underworld 2 this afternoon. I was a little shocked to see some adults sit down in front of us with two young boys. One was around 12-14 and the other 8-10, if not younger. I hadn't paid attention to the rating myself, but since it is a vampire movie, I knew to expect a lot of blood. My friend mentioned that he heard there was some nudity as well. Sure enough, there was, albeit quite brief. It definitely didn't seem like a movie I would take my kids to, if I had any.

I guess this doesn't have anything to do with Java Ranch and the atmosphere here. This thread just reminded me about seeing those kids at an obviously adult movie. I am just surprised that someone would bring kids that young to such a show.

Layne


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Donald R. Cossitt
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What does it matter youth or old age? I am no prude and certainly have had my moments of crude. But I am often reminded what parents do in moderation children will do in excess. Nothing like having children to remind me of my personal hypocrisies; and now that I have nine grandchildren, well we are all familiar with the effects of compounding.

Having said that, I have had more than one outright guffaw (hearty or course burst of laughter) at some of the 'questionable' stuff here.


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