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Question concerning quality watches

Svend Rost
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Hi Ranchers,

Im looking for a new watch, but I dont know that much about watches and im
not sure what brands to look for. My knowleadge about watches is pretty
much that Rolexes, Breitlings and Omegas are nice watches, but to expensive
for me... I assume, that you should aim for a "Swiss watch" - but I might
be wrong..

- The watch should be worn at work and when im "going out".

- I prefer classic over fancy. It shouldn't be a digital watch either.

- It's ok if the watch is a bit bulky

- I plan to wear the watch for more than 5 years

- Price range: 1000-1500$

Any ideas? Thanks in advance.

/Svend Rost
[ February 20, 2006: Message edited by: Svend Rost ]
Jeff Albertson
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Funny you should mention that. Some time ago, I saw an advert for a watches from a watchmaker I hadn't heard of before, a German maker named A. Lange & Sohne. What I liked about them was the clean, large faces the watches had. Then I googled for them last week: $10,000 to $100,000+ -- Yikes!


There is no emoticon for what I am feeling!
agrah upadhyay
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Price range: 1000-1500$

In Indian Rupees this will equate around as 50000-75000 rupees
This price range will be likely to be impossible even for a very big industrialist of India-As I think.
Anupam Sinha
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Originally posted by agrah upadhyay:

In Indian Rupees this will equate around as 50000-75000 rupees
This price range will be likely to be impossible even for a very big industrialist of India-As I think.


What makes you think that a even a big industrialist wouldn't be able to buy a watch worth 50,000 - 75,000. Care to explain.
Jeff Albertson
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Originally posted by agrah upadhyay:

In Indian Rupees this will equate around as 50000-75000 rupees
This price range will be likely to be impossible even for a very big industrialist of India-As I think.


I have a feeeling Svend Rost is not your average Indian industrialist. Or is that a given in this forum?
Stan James
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I'd be willing to pay more for something thinner and lighter. Don't care 2 cents for fashion. Ok, maybe 5 cents - I did give up the Radio Shack calculator watch.


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Henry Wong
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I recently bought this watch.

It seems to fit your criteria except for price. I had to negotiate aggressively, and was only able to get them down to $1550 (which includes tax).

Great watch. Can be used for everyday usage, and as a dress watch.

Henry


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N Kriplani
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For your price range, you could get a Brietling. I think I did see a couple a few months back.

You might want to look at Citizen Eco-Drive or Seiko Coutura watches. Both never need a battery change. And they are great looking watches for half your price range. You'll save a ton of money and get a quality watch. But then they aren't Swiss.

I've seen some nice Concord watches within your price range. They are Swiss.
agrah upadhyay
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In Indian Rupees this will equate around as 50000-75000 rupees
This price range will be likely to be impossible even for a very big industrialist of India-As I think.

Thought that everyone will ignore this STUPID-SLLEP-DRIVENSTATE_POST but noone???
SO,
NOw,
There is no OTHER emoticon left for what I am feeling?


These are just substitutes


Jeff Albertson
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Originally posted by Henry Wong:
I recently bought this watch.


I'm not wild about Tags (I'm already chunky and macho so why should my watch be as well?) but I like the mouse-over feature on that web page!

Like I wrote before, this is more to my taste: , but not my price range
[ February 22, 2006: Message edited by: Jeff Albertson ]
Henry Wong
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You might want to look at Citizen Eco-Drive or Seiko Coutura watches. Both never need a battery change. And they are great looking watches for half your price range. You'll save a ton of money and get a quality watch. But then they aren't Swiss.


I also have a Citizen Eco-Drive. In fact, I bought it the first year that the Eco-Drive was released.

A great watch. And a great conversational piece. The concept of a solar powered watch is just cool. Of course, today, the Eco-Drive line is huge, so some of the conversational factor is lost.

Highly recommended -- even though it is not Swiss.

Henry
Henry Wong
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For your price range, you could get a Brietling. I think I did see a couple a few months back.


If you are going to get a Brietling, I say get a Brietling...

For $1500, you are not going to get one with the movement that they are known for. I am also willing to bet that it will be one without a sapphire crystal.

Not saying that you won't like the Brietling... just saying that you may quickly want an upgrade, if you buy the low end model.

Henry
[ February 22, 2006: Message edited by: Henry Wong ]
Svend Rost
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Thanks for the advices.

Thanks for the link Henry. Looks like a great watch (although I prefer
the "blue" model: WJF2112.BA0570)


Originally posted by Henry Wong:


If you are going to get a Brietling, I say get a Brietling...

[ February 22, 2006: Message edited by: Henry Wong ]


I'd prefer to buy a new watch. Besides, most of the used Breitlings I've
seen still cost around 10.000 $.


I could ofcause buy a Brietling(instead of a Breitling) - or a Folex though


/Svend Rost
N Kriplani
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Here is a website that might help too. It's got a nice table if you scroll...

http://www.chronocentric.com/watches/brands.shtml
Henry Wong
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Originally posted by Svend Rost:

I'd prefer to buy a new watch. Besides, most of the used Breitlings I've
seen still cost around 10.000 $.

I could ofcause buy a Brietling(instead of a Breitling) - or a Folex though

/Svend Rost


I also have a Breitling -- which means you can conclude... (1) I should actually know how to spell Breitling and (2) I definitely have too many watches...

Decent Breitlings are not that expensive -- relatively. You can probably pick up a new Chronomat Evolution, which is probably one of their best movement watches, for about $3000 to $6000, depending on how much gold you want. The really expensive Breitlings are due to the gold and diamonds -- not the mechanism / movement.

Henry
Svend Rost
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Thanks for all the feedback..

Just wanted to let those interested know, that I've ended up choosing
a Seamaster Aqua Terra Quartz. It was a bit over budget, but it looks
so beautifull "in real life", that I couldn't say no.

http://www.omega.ch/index.php?id=280

/Svend Rost
Henry Wong
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Originally posted by Svend Rost:
Thanks for all the feedback..

Just wanted to let those interested know, that I've ended up choosing
a Seamaster Aqua Terra Quartz. It was a bit over budget, but it looks
so beautifull "in real life", that I couldn't say no.

http://www.omega.ch/index.php?id=280

/Svend Rost


Svend, it does look really nice. I am willing to bet that the picture doesn't do the watch justice -- it never does.

However, I am not sure if I would have paid that much (assuming over $1500) for a quartz. BTW, what was the difference for an automatic?

Henry
Svend Rost
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Originally posted by Henry Wong:


Svend, it does look really nice. I am willing to bet that the picture doesn't do the watch justice -- it never does.

Thanks, and yes it's true - it looks different in "real life" - the blue color is amazing.


Originally posted by Henry Wong:


However, I am not sure if I would have paid that much (assuming over $1500) for a quartz. BTW, what was the difference for an automatic?

Henry

A quartz uses battery, whereas an automatic "recharges" it's batteries
when you move.. the drawback with an automatic is that it is imprecise.
According to my local watchmaker, an automatic can have up to 2 min's
imprecision which isn't that nice if you got a lot of meetings.

/Svend Rost
Henry Wong
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Originally posted by Svend Rost:

A quartz uses battery, whereas an automatic "recharges" it's batteries
when you move.. the drawback with an automatic is that it is imprecise.
According to my local watchmaker, an automatic can have up to 2 min's
imprecision which isn't that nice if you got a lot of meetings.

/Svend Rost


A little review. Apologies if you already know this.

Old watches (wind-up) are really intricate devices. They have energy loaded into a spring, and then must convert that energy into moving the hands accurately. The more accurate the watch, the more complex it is. A Rolex will lose / gain no more than a few seconds a day.

Automatics are even more complex, they have a flywheel which must convert the kinetic energy into potential energy of the spring. In addition, to doing the stuff wind-up watches does. The conversion of the energy is also very important. The more expensive automatics can hold a longer charge (as much as 2 days) and can charge much faster than cheaper automatics.

Wind-up watch don't exist much anymore, but most automatics still use the mechanism -- meaning no battery.

Quartz watches uses an IC chip connected to the battery. A $50 quartz watch can probably beat a $10,000 Rolex in terms of accuracy.

Quartz watches are also much lighter than an automatic. There are less moving parts, and much much less complex. All the complexity is in the chip.

But most of all, Quartz watches are also cheaper than automatics. Less complexity. Less parts. Easier to manufacture. etc.


My issue wasn't that you bought a Quartz watch. I like Quartz watches -- I actually have 2 of them. I just said that I don't think that I would have paid that much for one.

Henry
Svend Rost
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Originally posted by Henry Wong:

My issue wasn't that you bought a Quartz watch. I like Quartz watches -- I actually have 2 of them. I just said that I don't think that I would have paid that much for one.

Henry


Thanks for the added information. I guess I misunderstodd your post a bit.

Your right that it's expensive.. but if I wanted the automatic Aqua Terra,
I had to pay ca 1500$ more. Plus, I didn't find that many watches that
had the same apeal to me.
Kishore Dandu
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what do you officianados think of Seiko and citizen brands. I feel they are as good as all those Swiss expensives.


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Henry Wong
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Originally posted by Kishore Dandu:
what do you officianados think of Seiko and citizen brands. I feel they are as good as all those Swiss expensives.


I have never seen a good Japanese Automatic movement watch. Period.

Having said that, I do like the Citizen Eco Drives. It is a Quartz watch, which means that it runs on battery. But it is also Solar powered which means that the battery never have to be changed. Really cool.

The version I have was bought the first year. It is titanium, which makes it really light. And the back isn't removeable -- solid block. The dials are bright, which makes it perfect for Scuba diving.

One drawback is that it has a mineral crystal, but what do you expect for $350?

Henry
 
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