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Passed SCJP 6 - 90%, bad aftertaste

Markus Ă–llinger
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Joined: Jan 22, 2009
Posts: 1

I just passed the certification exam today and am happy to share this with you. Unfortunately, I only discovered this forum and the helpful information yesterday afternoon so I had to stay up till 2 o'clock in the morning to digest all the helpful information found here, especially the mocks and stuff. Many thanks for this, even though I barely had time to study it all!

On a different note, I really have to say that the questions they are asking you there are often stupid. You often run into questions where you'd rather say: don't write stupid code like that and you don't have to answer it. Many things are purely theoretical and can be avoided altogether by mere coding conventions. Other stuff requires you to memorize APIs by heart where a simple codeassist does the trick in real life (who cares whether the static method to check for interruption is isInterrupted() or interrupted(), the development environment tells me anyway). And then come the pitfalls, a simple static missing here and there or a missing =, a subtle compiler error the IDE would tell me about without even having to compile the whole project.

Don't get me wrong, I am an old-timer and have been using emacs and even line editors for development but I am not keen on doing it again. The exam focusses on skills you don't really need. There are a few things that are worthwhole lile concurrency and a few others but a lot of the remaining are just dumb. This is especially true in the category declarations, initialization and scoping, the examples they are pulling out of their ear there are horrible.

That being said, I must say, I don't really know what I should think if somebody would hand me over his SCJP trying to convince me that he or she is actually able to code.
I'd probably say, great, you passed the exam, certainly an accomplishment, but let's get to another topic, how about your coding skills...
Prav sharma
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Joined: Feb 07, 2005
Posts: 102
Its a basic certification to start with. So considering it from the perspective of yours won't be fully right. May be that you are more biased towards the work which you have done and you are trying to compare the questions you got in the exam with your work.
But still , there are many guys for whom this exam is a stepping stone and they turn out to be great coders once they are able to grasp most of the concepts while preparing for the exam. Just don't think that the guys clearing the exam only know the stuff which they answered in the exam.

You never know !!!

Congrats anyways for getting certified
Cheers !!!

Markus Ă–llinger wrote:I just passed the certification exam today and am happy to share this with you. Unfortunately, I only discovered this forum and the helpful information yesterday afternoon so I had to stay up till 2 o'clock in the morning to digest all the helpful information found here, especially the mocks and stuff. Many thanks for this, even though I barely had time to study it all!

On a different note, I really have to say that the questions they are asking you there are often stupid. You often run into questions where you'd rather say: don't write stupid code like that and you don't have to answer it. Many things are purely theoretical and can be avoided altogether by mere coding conventions. Other stuff requires you to memorize APIs by heart where a simple codeassist does the trick in real life (who cares whether the static method to check for interruption is isInterrupted() or interrupted(), the development environment tells me anyway). And then come the pitfalls, a simple static missing here and there or a missing =, a subtle compiler error the IDE would tell me about without even having to compile the whole project.

Don't get me wrong, I am an old-timer and have been using emacs and even line editors for development but I am not keen on doing it again. The exam focusses on skills you don't really need. There are a few things that are worthwhole lile concurrency and a few others but a lot of the remaining are just dumb. This is especially true in the category declarations, initialization and scoping, the examples they are pulling out of their ear there are horrible.

That being said, I must say, I don't really know what I should think if somebody would hand me over his SCJP trying to convince me that he or she is actually able to code.
I'd probably say, great, you passed the exam, certainly an accomplishment, but let's get to another topic, how about your coding skills...
Ankit Garg
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Joined: Aug 03, 2008
Posts: 9280
    
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Welcome and congrats Markus

I personally feel that the objectives of SCJP are GREAT. They make you a better programmer. I know that the IDE will tell you everything. But why make silly mistakes and have the IDE tell you the mistakes every time. It would be a wastage of time to make a mistake and then the IDE would remind you that you made a mistake. I agree on the API level to a certain extent but not with the language syntax thing. On the API front too the choice of the API classes in the objectives is just great. It's all that you would need in your daily working. The collections framework and the IO related classes are used very often. Also advanced topics like Generics are a good thing to learn...


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Punit Singh
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Joined: Oct 16, 2008
Posts: 952
Congrats

It is not the question asked in SCJP exams make a beginner a good programmer, it is all about how do you prepare, how many questions you discuss in forums, what your understanding with the fundamentals, we have gain lots of benefits not by passing the exam, but during the practice and discussing the mock questions, seeing source code how these APIs are designed, what works, how works, why works, why such design, we discuss here, we put our mind in different direction, I think this is the goal of SCJP.


SCJP 6
James Tharakan
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Joined: Aug 29, 2008
Posts: 580

Punit Singh wrote:Congrats

It is not the question asked in SCJP exams make a beginner a good programmer, it is all about how do you prepare, how many questions you discuss in forums, what your understanding with the fundamentals, we have gain lots of benefits not by passing the exam, but during the practice and discussing the mock questions, seeing source code how these APIs are designed, what works, how works, why works, why such design, we discuss here, we put our mind in different direction, I think this is the goal of SCJP.


Well said,this is what SCJP is.


SCJP 6
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Stephen Davies
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Joined: Jul 23, 2008
Posts: 352
The SCJP is after all a professional Exam, its not there to test your knowledge of an IDE. Of course in Practice one may use Books, the internet, and IDE's however the point is to test your Java knowledge, if we relied on Code completion and such like, what would we really be learning beyond, how to use the IDE, and familiarity with API's. Constructive Programming is about thinking outside the box, unless your content with simple repitition and regurgitation, in my opinion a dated form of learning.

Just my opinion!

However, not to blacken the occasion, many congratulations on passing, particulary with your high percentile.


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Ken Truitt
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Joined: Aug 23, 2007
Posts: 124
I really think SCJP is giving the proper emphasis on basic coding skills and to a degree, memorization of the api. Relying on an IDE is questionable--you might not always have access to it, and reliance on the IDE virtually precludes extensive coding discussion with ones peers away from the computer. Or, for that matter, extensive conceptualizing of how one might code a given problem, away from the IDE.

But even if you are sure that you will always have your trusty IDE, I think it's a good thing at least for once during your
experience as a programmer to grok the basic api all at once and have it all at your command within your head, and be prepared to recall it in any given tricky situation.

Having said that, I would consider my SCJP experience to be a success if I got a score like 90%.


SCJP 88% | SCWCD 84%
Tim Jameson
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Joined: Jan 17, 2009
Posts: 10
I'd also like to thank this site for the much needed preparation for the exam.
It's a great gem.

I haven't taken the exam yet but my practice scores are up significantly.
I completely agree with some things Markus is saying in relation to the practice exams.
I took some classes a year ago that spent half the time focusing on the syntax instead of programming practices and applications.

Since then I've been trying to develop my understanding of the other API's and problem solving skills.
Preparing for this exam has shown I've become a little rusty on the syntax since.
I think when the compiler gripes about bad syntax and you continue to use the language you find the correct way
to type the syntax. There are so many incorrect ways once you find the right way you often forget what on earth would happen
if you saw this strange incorrect code?
Sometimes it's so minute it's easy to overlook.

I have recently realized preparing for this exam is largely learning the exam not the just the material.
I feel I'm training my eye just as much as my knowledge.
Tim Jameson
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Joined: Jan 17, 2009
Posts: 10
Sorry Markus I almost forgot Congratulations!
That's a killer score.
Joe Harry
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Joined: Sep 26, 2006
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Congratulations!


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Harvinder Thakur
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Joined: Jun 10, 2008
Posts: 231
congrats


thanks
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