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Raghavendra nandavar
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Is the percentage of women on javaranch very less??
or
Very less people (women) create and reply to the posts (atleast in MD )
or
Are there many in disguise

Just curious to know
S Venkatesh
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Originally posted by Raghavendra nandavar:
Are there many in disguise


[ April 21, 2006: Message edited by: Venkatesh Sai ]
madhuri madhuri
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I too had the same opinion when i joined JavaRanch.
May be most of them do not want to spend time in a lighter sense.....! No offense at all ladies.


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percentageOfWomen++


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Michael Ernest
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percentageOfWomen--


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agrah upadhyay
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I am inclined to believe that girls can not be good programmer


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Nila dhan
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I am inclined to believe that guys always make such comments about girls.
Angela Poynton
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I'm inclined to believe that as a girl and a progammer and a Sheriff I have power to lock accounts ... so be careful


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Good one, Angela.


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Roger Nelson
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Originally posted by Angela Poynton:
I'm inclined to believe that as a girl and a progammer and a Sheriff I have power to lock accounts ... so be careful


I am inclined to believe a women with power is more dangerous than men with power
Deepak Bala
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I think thats more seductive than dangerous


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When I started programming in 1978 the shop was well over 1/3 women, my team well over 1/2, including managers and VPs. I don't know why the industry hasn't appealed to them over time. Lifestyle choices?


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Angela Poynton
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Well I'm not going to be a programmer for much longer. I'm moving into Project Management. I love programming, but I've discovered it's definitly something I love as a hobby and not something I want to make a career out of.
David Dong
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woman who is technical is very seldom.
However this can be true or false.

We would need to do some research on it, if we want to know if woman-- is in technical field.
Anup Srivastava
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When male gets free, he try to update his knowledge or try to involve in communities ( like JR).
When female gets free she is busy with make-up and gossip.
Ernest Friedman-Hill
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Are you guys trying to be funny? Like pretending you're Jeff Foxworthy or something? You need to use some appropriate smilies or something, because from where I'm sitting, you sound like you're serious.


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Ramender Mall
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Originally posted by Nila dhan:
I am inclined to believe that guys always make such comments about girls.


I am inclined to believe that statistics support these comments :roll:
(Mine is a small 20 employee branch and only ONE girl in there )..

- Ramy..
[ April 23, 2006: Message edited by: Ramender Mall ]
Jim Yingst
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Anup, it's interesting you phrased it that way, considering it actually amplifies the extent of your wrongness. While female programmers do indeed seem to be disproportionately uncommon (perhaps in part because of the inane attitudes espoused by some [presumed] males in this thread), it seems to me that those women who do pursue a programming career are disproportionately more likely to involve themselves in communities to strengthen their programming skills. And to help others do the same. Certainly there are exceptions either way - but I don't find it remotely useful to make insipid generalizations about all female programmers. Or all male programmers. One might discuss general trends, but excess generalization about individuals is one of the quickest ways to invalidate your entire argument. If you've never met an extremely good female programmer - well, I feel sorry for you. But please learn not to state your limited experiences as fact. Thank you.


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agrah upadhyay
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am inclined to believe that guys always make such comments about girls.


So is it not true? Well i have not heard about good girl/women programmers much.
Chetan Parekh
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Originally posted by agrah upadhyay:


So is it not true? Well i have not heard about good girl/women programmers much.


You have to be a good programmer first to measure girls/women’s programming skills.

Better you start preparing for your coming Practical Exam.


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agrah upadhyay
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Better you start preparing for your coming Practical Exam.

I am not a girl who will start preparation for practicals from now only when they are 10 days later.
Chetan Parekh
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Originally posted by agrah upadhyay:

I am not a girl who will start preparation for practicals from now only when they are 10 days later.


True, this is the reason why girls are ahead then boys in academic performance in 10th/12th results of CBSE.
shan Iyer
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Chetan and Agrah,
the problem is that women are always on the lookout for good men programmers , rather than concentrating on their own prgramming!!


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Jim Yingst
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[agrah]: Well i have not heard about good girl/women programmers much.

Maybe they've been avoiding you. I've met several.
agrah upadhyay
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Posted by Shankar Iyer
the problem is that women are always on the lookout for good men programmers , rather than concentrating on their own prgramming!!


And I am always ready
[ April 23, 2006: Message edited by: agrah upadhyay ]
Chetan Parekh
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Originally posted by Shankar Iyer:
the problem is that women are always on the lookout for good men programmers


and that is why you have not picked up by any girl till now.
MInu
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Why do we need more womens in JavaRanch???


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agrah upadhyay
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posted by Vinod
Why do we need more womens in JavaRanch???

No................I need girls
shan Iyer
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Well Chetan,its better to not have a girlfriend than having one from a village in Gujurat
MInu
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Originally posted by agrah upadhyay:

No................I need girls




agrah upadhyay
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Posted by Jim
Maybe they've been avoiding you. I've met several.

Its really so!!
But why??
Angela Poynton
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Originally posted by Vinod Ennes:
Why do we need more womens in JavaRanch???


Can I remind you of my post above!

Also can we tone down the misogyny please ... it's giving me a headache!
Deepak Bala
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I was speaking to a senior architect once and he mentioned that in his company, almost all women dropped out after 2 years. Some of them do make it to the top. The lead of a project in which i used to be, was a women. In my work place most of the women are either young guns with less than two years experience or they are group or project leads. Like Angela pointed out i guess they like management in general. hmm... i think the best managers in the world are home makers.
Ramender Mall
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Originally posted by Angela Poynton:

misogyny !


hmm well, as far as I get this thread, the persons who seem to be AGAINST women , in context of this thread, just want to point out the ratio of men to women in HARD CORE PROGRAMMING field only.
And i myself think that this IS a valid argument.

- Ramy..
Angela Poynton
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Originally posted by Ramender Mall:


hmm well, as far as I get this thread, the persons who seem to be AGAINST women , in context of this thread, just want to point out the ratio of men to women in HARD CORE PROGRAMMING field only.
And i myself think that this IS a valid argument.

- Ramy..


I agree it is a valid argument.
However comments such as "Why do we need more women?" , "I am inclined to believe that girls can not be good programmer", "I am inclined to believe a women with power is more dangerous than men with power" and "When female gets free she is busy with make-up and gossip" are Mysogynistic and putting a smilie after them does NOT immediately clear the poster of purporting a gender myth that in my experience is both inaccurate and offensive.
It's no different and just as wrong as it would be if I were to assume that simply because you are a male programmer that you must be a serious geek with no friends an inability to approach women and you must be obsessed with science fiction and own a pair of Mr Spock ears.

Yes I'm moving into Project Management, not because I don't love programming, but because I'd like my career to go somewhere else, I will still code for fun though, just like I have done since I was 10 years old.
Deepak Bala
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hmm... i feel that way sometimes. Its fun to code you own lil projects that are your brain children but when it comes to coding a business requirement you have to deal with packages longer than your street address and code that spans into millions of lines. Thats when it kinda gets boring. Hey... what do you do as a project manager back in your firm ?
Ramender Mall
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Originally posted by Angela Poynton:

in my experience is both inaccurate and offensive.

These comments are inaccurate - YES, even the posters themselves know it, BUT they did not mean it to be offensive(That of course is what 'I' think). Having said that, it does not clear anyone of his responsibilty, as in any open forum one must keep it in mind and try your best that no one gets displeased by his words.




It's no different and just as wrong as it would be if I were to assume that simply because you are a male programmer that you must be a serious geek with no friends an inability to approach women and you must be obsessed with science fiction and own a pair of Mr Spock ears.

ok ok , I understand that. And i am sure that 'YOU' in above sentences is not 'Ramy'.



Yes I'm moving into Project Management, not because I don't love programming, but because I'd like my career to go somewhere else, I will still code for fun though, just like I have done since I was 10 years old.

No one doubts that. And only the one who is way out of his/her mind can doubt such a thing for a sheriff on javaranch.(especially if he wants to keep the account active. :roll: kidding.)



I think, there was a thread on javaranch where something like - "Chances, that after reading you mail other person will understand what you REALLY meant, are fifty-fifty" was discussed. That happens quite often. (I searched for it, to give a link here, but was not able to find it.)

- Ramy..
[ April 24, 2006: Message edited by: Ramender Mall ]
Reza Ravasizadeh
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Woman are very High qualified technichan (Don't lock my account please)
In our team we are 122 and there is only 5/122 women.


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Pradeep bhatt
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Originally posted by Jim Yingst:
[agrah]: Well i have not heard about good girl/women programmers much.

Maybe they've been avoiding you. I've met several.




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Angela Poynton
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Don't misunderstand me. I acknowledge that women are under-represented in technical fields, any discussion around why that is would be interesting, but I find even "ironic" usage of mysogynistic stereotypes counter-productive.

There's a very interesting scheme running in this country that I was considering getting involved with. It's called "Computers for Girls" and is an after-school inititive to encourage teenage girls to get involved with computers. Apparently a large majority of girls lose interest in Computers and other technical stuff around the age of 14, obviously this has an affect on the workforce in the following years. I opted out of getting involved because I found the methods they were using to be rather condescending but I do hope it does manage to have some good effect.

As I said earlier, I started programming 18 years ago when I was just 10 years old. I had an Amstrad CPC464 and the manual for it also was a manual for BASIC, I took it upon myself to learn and became quite proficient.
Interestingly, around the age of 14 I stopped and had nothing to do with computers for 6 years until I got into Web Design, then Java programming. I have to ask myself, why, when I was 14 did I suddenly lose interest in something I had always enjoyed up to that point and my only answer is that at 14 you are much more aware of how you are perceived by other people, and you want to be cool... it wasn't considered "cool" to be a girl who was into computing. Sad but I fear true for many other girls.
 
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