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Hussein Baghdadi
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What is the best villain character you have ever seen ?
Personally, I find Daneil Day-Lewis in Gangs Of New York is the best.
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Lee Meriwether as Catwoman in the 1966 Batman movie. (This choice probably has more to do with costuming than villainy, but I don't think we've defined "best.")


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Dr. Frank N. Furter.


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Luke Skywalker, from Star Wars.

and yes, I know he's supposed to be the hero according to most people. He's that good a villain.


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Steve Martin as Dentist in "Little Shop Of Horrors". And speaking of dentists, Laurence Olivier in "Marathon Man".


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Chiwetel Ejiofor as The Operative in Serenity.
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Personally I'm still partial to Victor von Doom. All others are pale pretenders. Bow before Doom!

Once we move past the undisputed master... Joss Whedon's shows have too many fun villains to choose from. The Operative, Mayor Wilkinson, Holtz, Angelus, Drusilla, Spike, Illyria, Lilah, Lindsey, Skip, Harmony, Hamilton... so many fun memories associated with each. I think a key point is that the villains are almost never just 100% aginst the heroes of the story. They always have their own agendas, whether they're selfish (Spike), "building a better world" (the Operative), or out for justified vengeance (Holtz). And they learn over time, and change. Chances are, they end up working with the protagonists, at least occasionally. And often permanently (more or less). You can't just lump them together as "villains" - they're more than that.

I would also be remiss if I didn't cite some Babylon 5 favorites here: Bester and Morden. tow of my favorites ever. And Refa, and Cartagia. And over on Farscape: Scorpius and Grayza. Ooooh yeah... can't forget the delicious Grayza. Ummm, sorry... where were we?

[Jeroen]: Luke Skywalker, from Star Wars.

Eh, I'm in the "blame Yoda" camp myself. And Ben. Luke is too whiny, particularly in the first movie, to be a good villain. However I would note that Mark Hamill did a great job as the definitive version of The Joker, on Batman: The Animated Series. (And assorted spinoffs.) So yes, he can be a good villain. But in the Star Wars movies? Naah - it's too much like watching a train wreck in slow motion.
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Originally posted by Ulf Dittmer:
... And speaking of dentists, Laurence Olivier in "Marathon Man".

Yeah, he definitely struck a nerve in that role.
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Yoda is just a victim of his generation. Luke chose to remain on the side of the terrorist "rebels" despite being given multiple chances to join his father in the service of the legal authorities.
That's inconceivable, evil. He may have been manipulated into doing so by linking him up with a woman (without telling him that woman was his own sister, in the hope he'd fall in love with here I guess), but still.
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Originally posted by Jeroen T Wenting:
Yoda is just a victim of his generation. Luke chose to remain on the side of the terrorist "rebels" despite


Um, I'm going with your authoritarian third grade teacher, who seems to have way too much influence... :-)

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Urrukhan, the leader of the Orcs, in lord of the rings

...harrrr....kill em all...

but i dont get nightmares on the lord of the rings characters...theyre sort of 'digestible'
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Jesus, Urukh Hai is Orcish for Orc soldier
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Dick Dastardly?

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Had Dick Dastardly ever had any degree at all in catching that pidgeon, I might give him a place on the list.
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Originally posted by Satou kurinosuke:
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Hmmm, I've been called a character, but never a villian character...
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Hmmm, I've been called a character, but never a villian character...

Because you're too villain to be called that way

I was watching Shining yesterday, and I thaught that Jack Nicholson was great as a villain character. He looks so psychotic
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Liked the staid face of Robert Patrick in T2. More for his cool looks!
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Originally posted by Satou kurinosuke:

I was watching Shining yesterday, and I thaught that Jack Nicholson was great as a villain character. He looks so psychotic


are you sure he was only playing a psychotic?
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are you sure he was only playing a psychotic?

Psychotic may not be the approriate word in this film. I meant "getting mad".
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What makes me like Bill The Butcher is Daniel's performance.
The way he walks, talks, looks.
He is amazing, sadly he doesn't act so much.
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Originally posted by David O'Meara:
Chiwetel Ejiofor as The Operative in Serenity.


Chiwetel Ejiofor as Victor Sweet in The four brothers ....
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Originally posted by Jeroen T Wenting:
Jesus, Urukh Hai is Orcish for Orc soldier


Oh, ..i dont speak orcish ... (just watched it; didnt read book)
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Originally posted by Jeff Albertson:
Hannibal Lecter


Can't argue with that.

Vampires, zombies, little green flying saucer jockies, swamp mutants, child molester that inhabit some weird dream world, etc. never really bothered me because it was way too easy to convince myself that they don't exist. Some pretty damn intelligent, fairly strong, just psychotic enough to be a cannibal person is a believable description of a real person.

If you multiply the body count of any villain type by the percent probability that he/she/it exists in my neighborhood and divide by the possibility that I could deal with him/her/it, the Hannibal Lechters of the world come up with the highest scariness factor.
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Originally posted by Jesus Angeles:


Oh, ..i dont speak orcish ... (just watched it; didnt read book)


It's about time I read the book again, it's been nearly a year. Still have to decide which of my 6 copies to use this time though.

But from "The Languages of Middle-Earth", page 203:
Uruk B 'Orc'.A goblin, particularly a large fighting Orc.
Uruk-Hai B Large fighting Orcs.

B means Black Speech, the language of Mordor and the common language of Orcs at the end of the 3rd Age of the World.
Sadly the book (apart from the dictionary) mainly concerns itself with Elvish languages.
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Two books where the villians really creeped me out: Whispers and Kiss the Girls. I don't recall the baddies' names, but surely remember reading them. Both had really depraved characters and the villains share something else I won't mention just in case you want to be creeped out, too.

Vincent Price played many evil characters and he thought the best villains were the righteously pissed, a good man wronged and driven mad. His Wax Museum character was one.
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the invisible villain called death in "Final Destination" & "Final Destination 2"!!
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.Kevin Spacey in Seven. Specially in the end when he mails Brad Pitt his wife's head.

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Keven Spacey was also positively mesmerizing as Mel Profit in Wiseguy.
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Mmmm, I remember being more mesmerized by Joan Severance as sister Susan Profitt. In terms of acting, Kevin Spacey has had many great roles, but that one didn't really stand out for me. Maybe that's because it was in the shadow of the amazing job Ray Sharkey had done as Sonny Steelgrave in the previous storyline.
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Best villian as far Kollywood is concerned in M N Nambiar.
He is such a veteran actor and has acted against leading heroes like MGR, Sivaji. He is over 80 years and maintains a healthy physique to this day!

Unfortunately the Wiki article is only a stub and I got only from the net.

Tamil cinema is still to go fully online...
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If we're going to move on to books, then perhaps Angus Thermopyle from The Real Story, although the later books in the series make him seem less of a villain. Another Stephen Donaldson character, the Lord Foul aspect of Thomas Covenant's personality is another good villain.

One of my other favourite villains (although it could perhaps not really be considered one, especially after the last book in the series) is the Shrike from the Hyperion Cantos.

I used to think that Sauron from the Lord Of The Rings was the ultimate in villains, but after the number of copies that have come along, he's become a bit stereotyped. He's also not a very interesting villain - pure evil is simple after all, and a villain who we can begin to understand is a lot more interesting. This makes villains like Emperor of Dune's Leto II and Star Wars' Darth Vader more memorable villains - we can see their justifications behind their actions.
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Leto II is a good choice:I'd forgotten about him.
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Sauron is hardly the worst villain of all.
Sure he craves absolute power and does all he can to achieve that, but that doesn't make him the worst villain ever...

He's not even evil incarnate in the Middle Earth, being merely a servant himself (though you may need literature about the first and second ages of the World to get the full details about that).
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OK, so Sauron didn't start out as the entity representing pure evil, but after Melkor got his comeuppance, Sauron did begin to move in that direction. He went from the standard bad guy henchman in the early parts of the Silmarillion to something completely different by the Lord Of The Rings - he had no real body, no personality, no real motivation behind wanting power. He just seemed a collection of bad emotions rather then a coherent character.

Perhaps that was the point though - Sauron represented the ultimate fate of someone consumed by the ring. He lost what made him a properly sentient being, and became simply a powerful expression of desire. I agree that he wasn't the ultimate evil in comparison to his ex-boss, but in the Lord Of The Rings he's pretty close to it.
 
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