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paul wheaton
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I recently watched "hook" with my 14 year old son.

And a few weeks ago I watched that adam sandler movie where he kept pressing the fast forward button on his life.

And then there have been scads of movies over scads of years where there is some guy that neglects his family in favor of a career and the point of the movie is that he sees the light and spends more time with his family.

(and now for the whining from a guy that was recently divorced)

These movies seem to have lots of shots of a stay-at-home wife/mom that says "you don't spend enough time with us" but they seem to leave out the parts with "this pit we live in is unacceptable." "I need a new car" "I need ____" "I need _____" and so off the guy goes and works his ass off to provide more of whatever.

If a movie showed that, would a bunch of women get upset about it? Would the movie sell fewer tickets?

But if the guy is just dumb, then you can still sell plenty of tickets.

I'm sure that this is not an absolute, but it sure seems like movies have a tendancy to portray guys as dumb and women as brilliant.

On the up side - as guys hit the dating pool, expectations should be mighty low!


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Maureen Augustus
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It's not just movies. Men are idiots in commercials, too. Did you see the one where the guy is too stupid to realize that his wife was feeding him a Lean Pocket because it just tastes too good?

The deal is this...the most powerful consumer demographic in the country is 18 - 35 year old females. As a result, Hollywood and Madison Avenue tend to pander to that group. Frankly, I find those movies and commercials insulting to both of us.

However, the trend that I'd like explained is how movies don't even blink at O-L-D men who have not aged well (Michael Douglas, anyone?) paired with women at least a generation younger than them, but you never see the reverse. Where's my Judi Dench-Tom Cruise romance movie?


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Originally posted by Maureen Augustus:
However, the trend that I'd like explained is how movies don't even blink at O-L-D men who have not aged well (Michael Douglas, anyone?) paired with women at least a generation younger than them, but you never see the reverse. Where's my Judi Dench-Tom Cruise romance movie?


It's due to the way sociaty still views aging. Men age and become even more attractive. Gray haired men are regal and bald is sexy.

As far as Paul's post, yes, I see that as well. I remember a commerical for a beer (not sure which one) where these hot women would be walking towards men in a bar or something and they would do something totally stupid, like trip and fall or run into someone. It was hilarious because we are so used to seeing the men be the idiot druling dogs. The table had turned. But it was short lived.

And then there are shows like Honeymooners, Flintstones, Home Improvement, and King of Queens where all you see is the guy totally screw up and have to apologize to their wives. Those shows really make the men out to be the idiots. Typically, in real life, it goes both ways. I am an idiot and sometimes, my wife is an idiot. And she knows it.

But like Maureen said, it's about what sells.


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Dave Lenton
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Originally posted by Maureen Augustus:
However, the trend that I'd like explained is how movies don't even blink at O-L-D men who have not aged well (Michael Douglas, anyone?) paired with women at least a generation younger than them, but you never see the reverse. Where's my Judi Dench-Tom Cruise romance movie?
I read a book by Robert Winston in which he theorises that this kind of relationship has come about for evolutionary reasons. He thinks that females in primate tribes tend to want to mate with powerful males, ideally the alpha-male, giving their children the best chance of protection and access to resources (such as food). This translates in humans into an instinctive attractiveness for rich or successful men.

On the other hand primate males prefer younger females who are more likely to be in their physical childbearing prime. These younger females will be physically more likely to be able to have a successful pregnancy and better able to raise a child. Even better is a female who doesn't already have children to spend time on - that way she can devote more time to the male's offspring. The theory says that in humans this becomes an instinctive attraction to younger attractive women. The males instinctively go for physical suitability, where as the females go for social suitability.

I'm not sure that this theory tells the full story, but it is quite interesting.
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Svend Rost
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Originally posted by Dave Lenton:
I'm not sure that this theory tells the full story, but it is quite interesting.

Very Interesting indeed. Ever heard of the Ladder Theory btw?
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It only took a moment's thought to come up with Spanglish and American Beauty as examples of recent popular movies with wives who are treated the way men are too often treated in films.


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Maureen Augustus
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I read a book by Robert Winston in which he theorises that this kind of relationship has come about for evolutionary reasons.


Dave, you might really enjoy the books of Desmond Morris. He's an anthropologist whose most famous work "The Naked Ape" analyzes human behavior from a biological standpoint. It spawned a TV series called "The Human Animal" on PBS here in the US.

For me, Desmond Morris is to nonfiction what Kurt Vonnegut is to fiction.
Ryan McGuire
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Originally posted by Maureen Augustus:

However, the trend that I'd like explained is how movies don't even blink at O-L-D men who have not aged well (Michael Douglas, anyone?) paired with women at least a generation younger than them, but you never see the reverse. Where's my Judi Dench-Tom Cruise romance movie?


How about real* life: I wouldn't say that Demi Moore hasn't aged well, but I'd consider Ashton a trophy husband -- a cute meaningless piece of arm candy. She could have done better.

* The lives of celebrities counts as "real" life only in the most strict sense of the word.
Michael Ernest
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Originally posted by Maureen Augustus:
Where's my Judi Dench-Tom Cruise romance movie?

Probably on the same shelf as your Jack Lemmon-Penelope Cruz romance.

You might like Harold and Maude anyway.


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Ernest Friedman-Hill
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Originally posted by Michael Ernest:

You might like Harold and Maude anyway.


Damn, why didn't I think to mention that
Dave Lenton
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Originally posted by Maureen Augustus:
It spawned a TV series called "The Human Animal" on PBS here in the US.
That rings a bell. I think I may have seen that programme a long time ago. I can't remember much about it though.
Maureen Augustus
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Essentially, it was a nature show in the vein of Wild Kingdom, only featuring people instead of gazelles. Good stuff.

I've heard good things about "Harold & Maude", BTW, but I haven't gotten to it yet. Better move it further up my list.

Edited to correct an unintentional homophone. Never try to spell before you've had your coffee.
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