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ankur rathi
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What does this mean: Downloading limit: 2 GB for 6 months.
Shaan Shar
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Originally posted by rathi ji:
What does this mean: Downloading limit: 2 GB for 6 months.


You can download data through this Internet and there is limitations of this is you can download upto 2GB in 6 months.

If you download more then 6 GB then you need to pay some more.. or if after 6 month you haven't downloaded 2 GB.. This will be expired....You need to recharge it...


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ankur rathi
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Originally posted by A D Sharma:


You can download data through this Internet and there is limitations of this is you can download upto 2GB in 6 months.

If you download more then 6 GB then you need to pay some more.. or if after 6 month you haven't downloaded 2 GB.. This will be expired....You need to recharge it...


Probably, my question was not clear.

I meant, whenever we open any site, whether we download sth or not, sth is always downloaded at our system like images and other data.

So how long it will last? 2 GB for 6 months.
I know, it depends on surfing and downloading but in general, is it enough?

Thanks.

Edit: Sorry Ankur, you didn't mind naa...
[ October 12, 2006: Message edited by: rathi ji ]
Svend Rost
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Originally posted by rathi ji:

So how long it will last? 2 GB for 6 months.
I know, it depends on surfing and downloading but in general, is it enough?


Why so mad? he answered your question.

It's 1 GB/month which - for me - sounds like alot if you just check email
and browse the net. Then again, it depends on your download habits. Try to
get a "download monitor" program that monitors the amount of data you download..

/Svend Rost

p.s. I dont know any download monitors, but im sure google does.
ankur rathi
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Originally posted by Svend Rost:


Why so mad? he answered your question.

It's 1 GB/month which - for me - sounds like alot if you just check email
and browse the net. Then again, it depends on your download habits. Try to
get a "download monitor" program that monitors the amount of data you download..

/Svend Rost

p.s. I dont know any download monitors, but im sure google does.


Thanks Svend,

But it's not 1 GB per month, it's 340 MB per month.
Jeroen T Wenting
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And that translates to just over 10MB per day, which is nothing at all really.
A typical page on a website is 50-150KB, so say 100KB average (including small illustrations and scripts).
10MB thus is 100 average sized pages if you do nothing else.

A small text-only email would be 5-10KB, so not too bad. HTML email though will run in the same size category as webpages (logically, they're the same technology).

So you'll be able to view or read roughly 100 emails and webpages total per day IF you do nothing else (like downloading music, watching videos, downloading software or other things, or visit graphics intensive websites, websites using a lot of flash or applets, etc.).
Do any of that and it quickly goes down to a few pages per month.


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The cable internet companies monitor your uploads and downloads, and they place a limit on how much you can download.

Looks like they've decided that 2 gigs is about the upper limit a normal internet user would need, so they have alarm bells that go off when a user hits that limit. My internet company usually sends me a warning when I hit that limit, although some providers may either turn you off, or charge you for every meg you go over the limit.

Check the fine print if you expect to go over the limit. And if you have big, work related files to download, you should probably download them at the office, as opposed to home, to save on your bandwidth costs.

Cheers!

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ankur rathi
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Thanks Jeroen for the information I was looking for, Kameron for good suggestion, Chetan and All.
Chetan Parekh
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Originally posted by Kameron McKenzie:

....And if you have big, work related files to download, you should probably download them at the office, as opposed to home, to save on your bandwidth costs.
-Cameron McKenzie


Svend Rost
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Originally posted by rathi ji:

But it's not 1 GB per month, it's 340 MB per month.


LOL, my bad Rathi - I dont know where I got that 6GB/6 months
Anyhow - if I were you I'd try to see if it's possible to get a
flatrate subscription (i.e. no download limit).

/Svend Rost
stara szkapa
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If you listen to internet radio, visit YouTube or watch webcasts it is not enough.
Tim LeMaster
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Wow in my opinion thats really really small. What if you want to download the lastest Ubuntu release (or other linux flavor?). How about Windows XP security updates and antivirus updates? Flash or otherwise graphics intensive websites?

6 months = 1/2 year = 182.5 days = 15,768,000 seconds
2 GB = 2000 MB = 2,000,000,000 Bytes (forget 1024 just to make it even)

2,000,000,000 Bytes/ 15,768,000 seconds = 126.83 Bytes/second.

If you were to constantly use the internet for those 6 months, you must consume less than 126.8 Bytes/second to stay under 2GB/6months. So whats the point of high speed if you can't use it.

This may seem like an unlikely situation. However how many of us leave instant messagers, email clients, and other tools running 24x7. How often does your email client check for new mail, or your IM client send its status (free, busy, etc), or your RSS reader update its feeds.

Between my email, IM, my fiance's email, her IM, her news readers, XP automatic updates, and antivirsus automatic updates; I bet sitting idle our computers come close to averaging 126 Bytes/seconds.
Jeroen T Wenting
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Most Linux distros are now large enough that you'd eat up your entire allotment with a single download (and the followup updates after installing it on a single machine) for that 6 month period.

I'm lucky to have no limit at all. I don't do it often, but I can (and have in the past) downloaded gigabytes of data per day for several days (GIS data for example, those tend to be rather big downloads, even for a small area it's hundreds of megabytes).

Downloaded a game client (Anarchy online) 2 weeks ago. They called it a small download, which translated into 890MB plus another hundred or so MB is patches and updates after installation.

That's reality today, people consider a gigabyte to be nothing special.
So if you're limited to 1 or 2 GB per month (or like that per 6 months) you're in serious trouble.
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Yeah, that's great, but the real question is, how many bits per millisecond?

Oh, nevermind.



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If you also upload, that will increase the amount you can download, because you're building a reserve.


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Ernest Friedman-Hill
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Originally posted by marc weber:
If you also upload, that will increase the amount you can download, because you're building a reserve.


Indeed. It's like owning your own windmill or other power generation sources; if you generate more than you consume, then the utility will pay you. If you upload enough data, the cable company is required by law (in the US, anyway) to pay you for that data. The catch, of course, is that it be unique, original data -- no uploading the same Knoppix ISO all day.


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Andrew Monkhouse
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Can we compare this to perpetual motion?

Uploads -> Downloads -> Uploads -> Downloads -> .... ad infinitum?

Jim Yingst
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Seriously, data deficits are a serious problem, and it's good to see that ISPs are finally taking steps to redress imbalances.


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marc weber
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The internet's reservoir of bytes is not infinite. Once it's drained and The Tubes clear... Well, some of us might be sorry we downloaded so much.
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In that case it would be necessary to get someone to fax you some.
Jeroen T Wenting
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I heard something went wrong during the yearly internet cleanup day this year and they have to do it all over again on new year's day?
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Originally posted by Jeroen T Wenting:
I heard something went wrong during the yearly internet cleanup day this year and they have to do it all over again on new year's day?


Yes, and this would be a good time to point out that this kind of X-GB-per-month service agreement generally carries a hefty penalty if you violate the ban on using the Internet while it's being cleaned. Best to unplug your computer and put sticky tape over the Ethernet port for the whole day before and the whole day after, just to be safe.
Jim Yingst
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Good point. Wireless cards are a bit more problematic, but it's possible to construct a decent shield with aluminum foil.
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Originally posted by Jim Yingst:
but it's possible to construct a decent shield with aluminum foil.



But then your head would be in danger. Isn't the whole idea of the aluminium shield to protect my head? Also, I made mine with eye (but not ear) holes. Will this alter the effectiveness?
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Aluminum foil was rendered obsolete with the demise of the Berlin Wall. NASA will confirm this. Telepathy is unhindered by lead casing. This is true in all time zones. I am the only one to know of this, as a consequence of the narrow bandwidth rendering a composite across multiple frequencies. This is the encryption technique, advocated in various genetics textbooks since 1969. I am the only one to know of its implementation. This is in response to the curvature of light and the true propensity of radio communication, which cannot be seen with the naked eye. She has followed me to work. They have examined my shoes. This will not be known for several years. I am unaware of my actions. My briefcase has been prepared for any eventuality. I was killed in 1969. The articles are encased in cement, impenetrable by x-ray or sonar. I have no recollection of this. The wife of the Admiral has confirmed this.
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You're all missing the real problem. It's the donut holes! Where do they go after you eat the donut? They're piling up everywhere!


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Originally posted by Bear Bibeault:
You're all missing the real problem. It's the donut holes! Where do they go after you eat the donut? They're piling up everywhere!


You can actually buy (and consume) donut holes. This have been true for some time. The thing that always bothered me was that you can buy jelly donut holes too. I always thought jelly donuts don't have holes. This strikes me as somehow causing a space/time paradox.

Henry


PS. Can we officially rule this topic as hijacked...


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marc weber
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Look what I found!

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marc weber
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Originally posted by Henry Wong:
... You can actually buy (and consume) donut holes...

But what does it mean to "consume" a hole? It sounds like matter might be produced in the process.
Henry Wong
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Originally posted by marc weber:
Look what I found!


Marc,

Hate to point out the obvious -- but about a third way down, shouldn't the fifth zero be a one?

Henry
marc weber
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Originally posted by Henry Wong:
...about a third way down, shouldn't the fifth zero be a one? ...

Precisely! This is the Eisinbr�ge-Str�hi�fe bit mutation!
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Originally posted by marc weber:

But what does it mean to "consume" a hole?


I've got a hole in me pocket!
Jeroen T Wenting
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Originally posted by Ernest Friedman-Hill:


I've got a hole in me pocket!


yes, that's the real problem. Why do pockets always wear out before the rest of the pants do, leaving holes that make them useless for carrying things in?
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Originally posted by Jeroen T Wenting:
yes, that's the real problem.


Au contraire! Y'see, In the town where I was born, lived a man who sailed to sea. And he told us of his life in the land of submarines. So we sailed up to the sun, till we found the sea of green. And we lived beneath the waves, in our... well, you know the rest.
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yea, and Lucy's in the sky with fake diamonds
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What happens to the holes?

Sheesh...Have you guys never heard of Tim Bits? What do you think they make those out of?

Gotta come to Canada to get them though.

-Cameron McKenzie (Tim Hortons Fiend)
marc weber
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Given infinitely many downloads of random bits, "Hamlet" is inevitable. And once downloaded, classics face inordinate risk of deletion. Therefore, download limits have been imposed as an effort to help preserve literature.

HTH.
Jeroen T Wenting
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Hmm, but would not those same limits reduce the chance of classics being created in the first place?
So not only are existing works preserved, but the chance of works coming into existense is reduced which means there is less to preserve as due to the intertemporal nature of the net actions taken now influence the past therefore download limits put in place today can prevent works created in the past from ever having been created in the first place.

In other words an ISP putting in place download limits to avoid the corruption of Hamlet by excessive downloading might cause Hamlet to never have existed and therefore those limits to not be needed.
 
 
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