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Tina Desai
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Friends!!

I have taken the responsibility of a team lead.

I have been reading some stuff on the net and I went through some books.
I felt more equipped and ready for some situations mentioned in that amterail when I actually came across hicupps here and there in day to day work.

I thought of asking you all gurus for your advice for a new team lead.
Common mistakes/myths/experiences.. anything that you knwo and you can share will be a good learning for myself and for many visiting the ranch.

Thanks for your time!

Regards,
Tina


Alongwith being a good coder, try to be a good professional as well!
Satish Chilukuri
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Don't forget that you were a team member once
A. Levi
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Originally posted by Tina Desai:
Friends!!

I have taken the responsibility of a team lead.

I have been reading some stuff on the net and I went through some books.
I felt more equipped and ready for some situations mentioned in that amterail when I actually came across hicupps here and there in day to day work.

I thought of asking you all gurus for your advice for a new team lead.
Common mistakes/myths/experiences.. anything that you knwo and you can share will be a good learning for myself and for many visiting the ranch.

Thanks for your time!

Regards,
Tina


watch out for slackers and pushovers, be prepared to attend random meetings some might be as ridiculous as 'Even though we work for a different project, We share same server on production so we need to talk'.
marc weber
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This thread should help.


"We're kind of on the level of crossword puzzle writers... And no one ever goes to them and gives them an award." ~Joe Strummer
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marc weber
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Seriously...

Delegate, and then let your team do what they do best. Evaluate results based on predefined business values -- not personal styles or approaches.

In other words, recognize that you might do it differently, but you are not the one doing it. Your team is. They are your assets -- your key to success -- so don't stifle them (and yourself) with micromanagement.
Sue Meng
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Few tips: (I got from my friend when I started as PM)
1 Be respected not loved
2 Just coach, dont demonstrate
3 Criticise but in a positive manner. Like tell its good and how it could have been better
4 and last but not least, be yourself.


Expect trouble as an inevitable part of life and repeat to yourself the most comforting words of all: This, too, shall pass." --Ann Landers
Nicholas Jordan
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I came into drivel looking to post my own parody interview, but saw this.

Do I ever have ** LOTS ** of advice.
Short version:
  • What is your own coding / programing experience ?
  • Are you degreed ? And if so, is your degree field the subject you will be leading ?
  • Have you ever tried to run a business ?
  • Does your immediate supervisor have [bold] any [/bold] programming expertise ?
  • Do you have good or decent people skills ?
  • All of these factors enter in to a trail of travail that can make or break too many would-be-good-to-use-them-as-programmers.

    I got up and walked out of UT Austin after only 17 hours and got a job for 6 dollars a day working for the circus + $3 additional for driving a truck........

    I have met plenty of MBA's, often they can run circles around me .... but there are some things to know about team-lead that do not register on grads until some track actually trying to get something done is attained.

    By experience, it takes about five years to flatten out on a new tradecraft, it generally follows the form we often see in science in observing natural phenomena.

    After having suffered this curve many times until it became natural response ingrained, I re-wrote the parody interview sometimes found like crude jokes on photocopy:

    "One day, when I was sitting in my office, I thought of this little scheme, which would reinvigorate computer-think. I thought 'I wonder what would happen, if there were a language so complicated, so difficult to learn, that only code warriors could write in it ? Actually, I got some of the ideas from X15, the experimental [never-deployed] graphics platform used by the Krell to teach their bytes how not to program. That was such a difficult code barrier. It only just ran on those One World - One Machine things; like the black-box in Stanley Kubrick's 2001. It had ridiculously complex syntax, obscure programming tricks , and a pseudo-fail-resistant run-time. Even in the most bloated project, nobody would write raw X-15 code. The motif was that STL would be the only way to go if you wanted to retain your sanity.."

    This parody is occasionally seen, ususally to be dismissed by the degreed.

    I really think about how to extend this: The hook, if one wishes to call it that, is the last sentence.

    It's the battle for the retention of sanity that makes it funny for those with heavy field expertise. And I once was a political worker for a few months in D.C. in the arena where the definition of sanity can be and usually is used for pretense activities we now see criticised in gaming, except carried out under the badge of authority and rule of law.

    Why this is funny, the parody interview, is not apparent to those who have not undergone thousands of episodes of being blamed for and taking the heat.

    Programmers who believe that the world has to be fair, may find it hard or impossible to accept a situation in which team lead has work history unfairly and badly hurt because of
    computer science for art students .

    After dealing with email for awhile, you will come to belive that
    Spa'am is the high priest of a tribe of wild boars. Since 1937, Hormel has used the trademark name SPAM to market its luncheon meat. It is beyond dispute that SPAM is a distinctive, widely recognized mark. Under that name, Hormel has sold over five billion cans of meat in the United States alone and spent millions of dollars to advertise its product.

    What good has all this effort done if the Progenitor Nephew comes in to your team at some point and begins to exercise perrogative ?

    Laugh now, you won't be later.

    My advice:

    There are two types of programming teams,,,

    1. Political Science, aliased as Computer Science.

    In which case you relax, learn and do what you can and do not worry about it.

    2. Really have goal/expectations, really want to do something.

    In which case you keep an eagle eye for a death march. If it developes - you terminate your employment. ... no-discussion, no-formalities ....

    If it does not develope, attempt to lead the team and suffer through the world-stops-for-me at six months. There is no remedy, no risk-reduction strategy for it that is effective. You just take the risk and do the best you can.

    I have never worked on a programming team, this comes naturally from being team lead in other areas. I can tell there is no shortage of D.Phil's here who have tried to do enough things in the real world that this will be all to real to them.

    //eof


    "The differential equations that describe dynamic interactions of power generators are similar to that of the gravitational interplay among celestial bodies, which is chaotic in nature."
    Raghav Sam
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    Originally posted by Sue Meng:
    2 Just coach, dont demonstrate

    Sometimes this is difficult, as the developer in me takes over and I even start coding. But this is only when the team member himself is not up to the mark or a bit sloppy and my fingers start itching to take hold of the keyboard. Otherwise, mostly I delegate and oversee!


    Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.<br />- Dr. Seuss
    Tina Desai
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    Originally posted by Sue Meng:
    2 Just coach, dont demonstrate

    4 and last but not least, be yourself.


    2. What does it really mean? Will you please elaborate with examples? I may be better able to relate to what I do.

    4. There are so many strategies and standard ways to react now a days. What you should say and what you should not that are already percieved by the people around you. How to maintain your own self while Im learning the good way of team leading ?

    Regards,
    Tina
    Tina Desai
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    First of all thank you to all of you for your replies.

    Well, Im a comp science graduate and fortunately Im leading a team in the technology I have worked for 5 years.

    Im a perfectionist. I try to do everything Im assigned to perfectly. Be it some small task at home or in office. And I have observed that Im ok if someone does it differently but I have high quality standards set for myself and others.

    Any thoughts?

    Regards,
    Tina
    marc weber
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    Originally posted by Tina Desai:
    ... What does it [just coach -- don't demonstrate] really mean? Will you please elaborate with examples? ...

    I think this relates (at least somewhat) to what I suggested above: "Recognize that you might do it differently, but you are not the one doing it. Your team is."

    The best film directors often say things like, "Casting is 90% of making a film. Once you have the right actors in place, you just let them do their thing." You might suggest how they approach a scene -- but don't demonstrate with your own performance for them to duplicate. If the actor really has talent, you want to help bring out what's inside of them -- not stifle that by imposing your own interpretation.

    I would go further by suggesting that effective coaching often comes in the form of posing questions. For example, "Is there an existing data structure that satisfies these requirements?" When saying this, you might have a specific solution in mind, but by asking a non-leading question, you are opening the door for other options. This leverages the expertise of your team. Note that if you "demonstrate" your own expertise with something like, "Why can't we use a _______?" this would likely lead your team into a round of "Yeah, that would work." And you would have missed the opportunity for soliciting a fresh approach.

    Let your team work for you -- not just support your own work.
    Mark Spritzler
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    Nicholas Jordan, What interview parody are you talking about, I don't see it posted anywhere? What a Pessimistic view point though, but I will not say that it is not being realistic in many cases, but there are lots of good companies out there that beat those assessments.

    Mark


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    ankur rathi
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    Well I can't really advice but will tell you my expectation:

    One who treat team members equally. Once I fell offended when I was given middle seat in the cubicle, I can understand that someone had to take that but the decision could be done with help of some unlucky draw or something. I felt like my performance is not up to others� and like that lots of foolish thoughts came in my mind...

    He/she should understand the technology and product/project.

    And the most important is he/she should be a good human being.
    D Kumar
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    Originally posted by Satish Chilukuri:
    Don't forget that you were a team member once


    Sue Meng
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    Very well explained Marc. That's what exactly I meant.
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    Nicholas Jordan
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    Originally posted by Mark Spritzler:
    Nicholas Jordan, What interview parody are you talking about, ... but there are lots of good companies out there that beat those assessments.


    I put the original "interview" up at
    ]http://docdubya.com/belvedere/statement/truth.html]
    with some cute additions of midi background and so on. Dr. Stroustrup comments sometwhere in his html-1.0 site that this interview did not in fact occur, but that it would have been funnier if he had written it himself.

    The version you see quoted here is a heavy re-write I did to make it my own work: It's just so damn funny to me that I cannot leave it lay and live the rest of my life without rolling in my grave long before I get there.

    The supposed interview is titled "The Real Truth Behind C++...." and goes on at some length describing the mental state someone would experince along the way of first year programming to five years of actually writing code.

    It's just so damn funny I cannot continue because I gotta drive home right now.
    [ September 15, 2007: Message edited by: Nicholas Jordan ]
    marc weber
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    Originally posted by Nicholas Jordan:
    ... The version you see quoted here is a heavy re-write I did to make it my own work...

    Uh... I would be very careful about this. Being "inspired" by someone's work is one thing, but modifying that work in an attempt to make it "your own" is a very different thing.

    According to the United States Copyright Office, "Only the owner of copyright in a work has the right to prepare, or to authorize someone else to create, a new version of that work."
    [ November 10, 2006: Message edited by: marc weber ]
    Nicholas Jordan
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    Originally posted by marc weber:

    Uh...in an attempt to make it "your own" is a very different thing.

    http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ14.html
    a derivative work must be different enough from the original to be regarded as a �new work� or must contain a substantial amount of new material.

    Aside from the fact that the original author, be that as it may, wrongly claimed authorship - there was no notification of claim to copyright on the originally posted page. I am aware of implied ownership of copyright - but since Dr. Stroustrup claims he did not write the piece, we can assume the <TITLE> Stroustroup Interview <:/TITLE > tag at http://www.nsbasic.com/newton/info/nsbasic/interview.shtml reflects the sub-optimal work of non Ph.D's ~ as Dr. Stroustroup contends.

    This is **** extremely **** interesting to me as the next phase of my program will be the building blocks for A.I.


    [ heavy editing - Saturday, September 15, 2007 for readability ]
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    marc weber
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    Originally posted by Nicholas Jordan:
    ... Aside from the fact that the original author, be that as it may, wrongly claimed authorship - there was no notification of claim to copyright on the originally posted page...

    That doesn't matter. It's still protected, being "fixed in a tangible form that it is perceptible either directly or with the aid of a machine or device."
    Nicholas Jordan
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    Originally posted by marc weber:
    It's still protected, being "fixed in a tangible form ...."


    Correct, but as obviously you are informed in nuances of the issue, you will concede ideas cannot be patented, copyrighted or licensed. Alright, the original poster (whom I hope is still following this intently) asked about issues that - in my mind - bear strong similarities to our current exploratory discourse. I further assume ( in the traditional engineering invocation of the word as an effective acronymn for mistakes we would warn the original poster of ) that you are familiar with the general nature of the SCO case; an issue of copyright may be salient there.

    But what about The Case Against Patents ? I have to deal with this stuff ( talk, contradistincted against action ) every day, and am not a people person by any measure, no matter how distorted the scale used to fit ( squeeze ) me into that category.

    Now, like it or not, we are doing real computer science here. I just got through my first reading of Programming the Universe on which I base my exploratory conjecture that the root word of license is lice, therefore it doesn't amount to a flyin rat's carcass in a ketchup factory what the original poster came here thinking we would get accomplished, because the rules state that no significant computer science be done here, only meaningless drivel (horse___t).

    Bear with me please. In the above cited book, it is made clear that the General and Special Theories of Relativity are insignificant when vis a vis Quantum Chaotics - iow, parallel thinking. Which is what the original poster will need to act constructively in the cited situation, correct ?

    It is interesting to note that in each following case, these system failures were consequent to software failures the team leader would normally be burdened to know in advance the possibly devastating results that a software failure could cause, and make every effort to prevent. It is also interesting to note that in the case of the National Cancer Institute in Panama, even with a supposedly attentive operator bound by law to recalculate the settings by hand (but didn't), the device still caused harm.

    <DL>
    <DT>Mariner I space probe:</dt>
    <DD>A bug in the flight control software causes the Mariner I rocket to calculate the incorrect trajectory. The rocket was destroyed by Mission Control over the Atlantic.<DD>

    <DT>Soviet gas pipeline:</dt>
    <DD> Conspiracy theories aside, a bug in the Soviet gas pipeline software controls caused the largest non-nuclear, man-made explosion in history.</dd>

    <DT>Therac-25 medical accelerator:</dt>
    <dd>A therapeutic device that utilizes radiation has a bug which can lead to a race condition. If that condition occurs then the patient receives multiple times the recommend dosage of radiation. The failure directly caused the deaths of five patients and harmed many more.</DD>

    <DT>AT&T Network Outage:<DT>
    <DD> A bug in a new release of code causes the switches of AT&T to crash. Over 60 thousand New Yorkers were left without phone service for nine hours.
    </DD>

    <DT>Ariane 5 Flight 501.</DT>
    <DD> A bug in the Ariane 5 rocket caused the engines to over power resulting in such extreme acceleration that it caused the rocket to rip itself apart.
    </DD>

    <DT>National Cancer Institute: </DT>
    <DD>Panama City Operators find that they can trick the software of a therapeutic device that utilizes radiation for treatment. Despite the legal requirement that all treatment schedules be rechecked by hand, the device delivers twice the recommended dosage. Eight patients die and 20 more will undoubtedly be permanently disabled.
    </DD>

    <DT>Mercedes-Benz   -  " Sensotronic " </DT>
    <DD> braking system: One of the largest recalls in automotive history; Mercedes-Benz has to recall 680,000 cars due to a failure of its Sensotronic breaking system.
    </DD>
    Source: DDJ - Software Certifications and Standards - Todd Brian, Mentor Graphics
    </DL>

    IOW - Most efforts fail
    - But why ? - I contend that failure mode, confirmed by a degreed Industrial Engineer on my team, is driven deeply by social engineering issues described in:
    The Case Against Patents....Don Lancaster - tinaja.com
    <blockquote>
    For most individuals and small scale startups, patents are virtually certain to result in a net loss of time, energy, money, and sanity.

    One reason for this is the outrageously wrong urban lore involving patents and patenting. A second involves the outright scams which inevitably surround "inventions" and "inventing".

    A third is that the economic breakeven needed to recover patent costs is something between $12,000,000.00 and $40,000,000 in gross sales.

    It is ludicrously absurd to try and patent a million dollar idea.
    </blockquote>
    sourceThe Case Against Patents

    Allright, in the SCO case, many deep nuances of thought will be brought to bear on designing a GUI that is sufficiently effective so as to thwart the Nation of Clowns from mounting an attack on sanity (using SANA - Snowflakes Are Never Alike / Sanity Attacked Now and Always ). Such an attack would be conducted by empowering a vast Sargasso Sea of morontia to rely on on popular user interfaces for their acceptance. These are noteworthy for a blatantly infantile look and feel. These Clowns use only ignorance - to constantly attack any worker in information science.

    Obviously, you are informed ~ and I have made some assumptions about your interest, but you will know prima-facia and without cast of rigor-mortise nor taint of prudence that an idea cannot be licensed, harvested, bought or sold (unless it's a pretty good idea) This place is swarmin with all manner of formal certification and yet has no lack of field-expertise.

    What is your goal in pointing out copyright issues to me over what is obviously the work of a Troll ?

    Any body who will have followed this discussion this far will likely be interested.

    It is my goal, here, to explore potential basis for investigation of Artificial Intelligence tools, techniques and models which will thwart, or have the potential to thwart some

    extremely realistic failure scenarios.


    Such as a situation where a fine package running in a class 5 data center had a table erased due a 'business error' which there was no means to recover by technological means.

    What would our original poster to in that situation ?

    In the 1960's, when computers where regarded as mere giant calculators, J.C.R. Licklider at MIT saw them as the ultimate communications devices. With Defense Department funds, he and a band of visionary computer whizzes began work on a nationwide, interlocking network of computers. Taking readers behind the scenes, Where Wizards Stay Up Late captures the hard work, genius, and happy accidents of their daring, stunningly successful venture.

    Perhaps, tell me it is so, we may bandy this about for a few rounds in hopes of exploratory merit.



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    marc weber
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    Again, I'm just trying to give some friendly advice: Be careful when announcing that you've reworked something in order to make it "your own." I'm not qualified to argue legal nuance, but I do know that's a red flag.
    Nicholas Jordan
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    Originally posted by marc weber:
    I'm not qualified to argue legal nuance, but I do know that's a red flag.


    Know that trail - which can lead to a race condition between Artificial Ants - is a cross lock between two or more threads of the web which are " fixed in a tangible form " and cannot be disentangled with known methods of Social Engineering.

    Lets take any of the previously cited failure cases as cannonical, because any of the failure scenara should be interchangeable - mid sentence. < Source, everyday experience >
    <h2>
    Fuzzy Logic:
    </h2>

  • Ozone Pilot

  • warez

  • weenie

  • Doctor Death

  • Deranged

  • Lunatic

  • Hellraiser

  • Mad Prince

  • Dreamdevil

  • The Unknown

  • Renegade Chemist

  • Terminator

  • Twin Turbo


  • Source:
    The Jargon File
    (This document is a collection of slang terms used by various subcultures
    of computer hackers.)

    I am qualified to argue legal nuance, it is a dead flag. All you have to do to to engage in legal nuance is say  " My Opinion "  about fifteen or twenty times per incident and do not say anything in moonshine, lest the Wear Wolves of London retrieve their suits from We Dye Tuhday, for the howl of a guilty dog on a moonless night sends chill waters up the dry bed of Still Creek.

    Still Creek is an antedulvian village of the electronic media which knit the Wear Wolves of London together in a fluid network of ���hot��� connections, well adapted to both the dissemination of new slang and the ruthless culling of weak and superannuated specimens.

    Their empire displays an almost unique combination of the neotenous enjoyment of language-play with the discrimination of educated and powerful intelligence.

    It has its own myths, heroes, villains, folk epics, in-jokes, taboos, and dreams, and if you say anything in moonshine, they will already be there, precepted, ready to slip you into their predictive parser to SLIP your sentences.

    S.L.I.P. - Silly lies, Internet Protocol

    Dr. I. Ben Stung, Master of Psycho Linguistics, showed me the power of this lands-end. I was given a floppy, from law-enforcement sources, with all the overtones of Cloak & Dagger bearing the printed label: Masters of Corruption - use at your own risk ! Having just that week been touted by a Masthead Management at Coriolis as a potential book author, I announced that I had obtained the floppy and would begin work immediately on an offline crash-box.

    I walked the floppy into my ISP and engaged all applicable precautions.

    Two days later, I saw the floppy on the shelf near the register at the front of the store.

    I knew I had been had, but not the way I wanted. Today, from that same source, I have a Glossy titled < name witheld > within arms reach and do not even bother to throw it away.

    They, the first floppy, were masters of nothing.

    The best thing they could accomplish would be to turn their hat around backwards and moan about having to take the trash out.

    Today, according the the RSA website, accomplished international killers sometimes hire these masters of corruption to do the actual cracking, reaching right back into the nature of the generative processes in program design to harp on a fundamental chord of human nature, creativity, to maintian an isolation between the cracker and the Wear Wolf.


    <BLOCKQUOTE>
    Quantum computing is a theoretical way of using the natural properties of matter at the hypo-mechanical wave of e^ -21 cm in order to build computational systems which would not work like ordinary digital computers, but on a whole new quasi-verse. It is here conjectured that quantum phenomena could disentangle standard SLIP codes at networking throughput.

    If such tools were capable of breaking ignorance in a tangible form, they could be used to make visible the nest of the Wear Wolves, though their International State is hidden.

    Hacker slang is unusually rich in the harmonics of overtones and undertones, providing Evolving Neural Networks potential capability to discover Hidden Markov Models in the implications which don't fit into conventional linguistic reality sufficiently well to allow discovery by conventional linguistic tools.

    These Hidden Markov Models seem to be common in young children, but the conformity-enforcing machine we are pleased to call an educational system bludgeons them out of most of us before adolescence.

    It is exactly this conformity-enforcing which the Wear Wolves use to hide their Forest behind the Trees, and thus they cannot be identified by Glass Eyed Intelligent Agents. Only Aritificial Agents could be used for search and filtering in such an arena of wombat.
    </BLOCKQUOTE>



    [heavy editing - Saturday, September 15, 2007 for readability ]

    If you have any questions, see

    Programming the Universe by Seth Lloyd.

    < !-- The author makes no statement under the Digital Millenium Act, as amended. -->
    < !-- This page created on Saturday, November 18, 2006 08:26:17 -->

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    marc weber
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    Originally posted by Nicholas Jordan:
    ...I am qualified to argue legal nuance, it is a dead flag. All you have to do to to engage in legal nuance is say  " My Opinion "  about fifteen or twenty times per incident ...

    Hmmm... Our attorneys have advised us otherwise.
    Nicholas Jordan
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    Originally posted by marc weber:

    Hmmm... Our attorneys have advised us otherwise.



    <DL>
    <DT>(a) TRANSITORY DIGITAL NETWORK COMMUNICATIONS- A service provider shall not be liable for monetary relief, or, except as provided in subsection (j), for injunctive or other equitable relief, for infringement of copyright by reason of the provider's transmitting, routing, or providing connections for, material through a system or network controlled or operated by or for the service provider, or by reason of the intermediate and transient storage of that material in the course of such transmitting, routing, or providing connections, if--</dt>
    <DD>(1) the transmission of the material was initiated by or at the direction of a person other than the service provider;</dd>
    <DD>(2) the transmission, routing, provision of connections, or storage is carried out through an automatic technical process without selection of the material by the service provider;</dd>
    <DD>(3) the service provider does not select the recipients of the material except as an automatic response to the request of another person;</dd>
    <DD>(4) no copy of the material made by the service provider in the course of such intermediate or transient storage is maintained on the system or network in a manner ordinarily accessible to anyone other than anticipated recipients, and no such copy is maintained on the system or network in a manner ordinarily accessible to such anticipated recipients for a longer period than is reasonably necessary for the transmission, routing, or provision of connections; and</dd>
    <DD>(5) the material is transmitted through the system or network without modification of its content.</DD>
    </DL>

    Why would your attorneys provide opinion on my qualifications if I did not state those opinons to be licensed by Statutory and Governing bodies ?
    marc weber
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    Sorry I wasn't clear. I meant the attorneys I work with at my real job (nothing to do with the ranch) and their very general advice regarding use (not transmission) of copyrighted material. This has nothing to do with the DMCA.

    Again, I was only trying to pass on some friendly advice.
    [ November 19, 2006: Message edited by: marc weber ]
    Nicholas Jordan
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    Originally posted by marc weber:
    Sorry I wasn't clear. I meant the attorneys I work with at my real job (nothing to do with the ranch) and their very general advice regarding use (not transmission) of copyrighted material. This has nothing to do with the DMCA.

    Again, I was only trying to pass on some friendly advice.

    [ November 19, 2006: Message edited by: marc weber ]


    Noted,.... as discussed (stated by me earlier) my purpose in dragging this out is to provide some gelling of ideas in my mind so that when I try to understand Artificial Intelligence, I can apply that tool to the arena of ideas. I am sure that you can comprehend that traffic in ideas MAY and brother of the science, I want to emphasise may, result in actions by persons.

    This is different from me getting worried about which - if any - attorneys said what about what. The only next thing I can come up with is so far out-there that people would be distracted from their regular work. The salient feature of this words-only bit of text is that it is a letter from an individual to relatives in the homeland discussion quality of life in geo-political jurisdiction where (....) has changed a great deal in the last ten years, since communism has been thrown out.

    Children donot have any new clothing. They have used clothing given to them from the country of Italy or hand-me-downs. Shoes are only worn in the winter. The schools are concrete block buildings with bars on the windows. The bathrooms are outhouses in the back of the school. Very few playgrounds have grass and there is no playground equipment. They usually have one soccer ball per school.

    A person on my team runs an accomplished legal services firm ten blocks from the state capital, with a client list of 600 attorneys.

    Like when supermodels think really, really hard - try not to worry about the legalities of the above citation. Help the others in fora who need that help - we as a profession are knee deep in copyright issues ... you display needed skills.

    [Saturday, September 15, 2007 - just for funnies, marc builds bbq grills, but it's the others that bbq me, duh. ]
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