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avi sinha
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hello everyone. i am abhishek sinha.i am doing btech from cochin university of science and technology (IT s-VI).i am very much depressed by the current situation of the market and am unable to decide what to do next? I have attained good programming skills in c & java and have submitted lots of projects based on swing & jsp using vjsf framework and have decided to devlop a new website for my college as my btech major project. i am going to write the scjp 5.0(310-055) exam most probably in the first week of june and have planned to prepare for the scwcd exam and will write it after the completion of my viith semester.am i on the right path or should i change it???please suggest me any other certification for preparation during my viiith semester which can help me getting a job after the completion of my btech...and some project ideas too.

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Certifications can be handy for beginners. I would advise you to also concentrate on hands-on experience in sought-after technologies/ frameworks. You can do this via a number of different avenues

-- Tutorials
-- Self-taught projects
-- Open-source contribution
-- Volunteer work

Hands on experience is very valuable and it can boost your confidence.


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avi sinha
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arulk pillai wrote:
-- Tutorials
-- Self-taught projects
-- Open-source contribution
-- Volunteer work

Hands on experience is very valuable and it can boost your confidence.


i didn't get your point.please make it a bit more clear.
thanks for replying
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Ulf Dittmer
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Arulk's point is that having experience is more important than having a large number of certificates. His list mentions several things you could do to gain experience.


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avi sinha
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Ulf Dittmer wrote:Arulk's point is that having experience is more important than having a large number of certificates.


but sir i think(for me only) that certification is the best method to tell the employer that i know something. if i choose one of the other means written above, how can i prove my proficiency before the recruiters ?
as a fresher i don't know much about the above ideas.i know just the basics.i don't know how can i involve myself in them.
so please explain in detail sir...

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but sir i think(for me only) that certification is the best method to tell the employer that i know something. if i choose one of the other means written above, how can i prove my proficiency before the recruiters ?


It's less about proving your proficiency, and more about improving your proficiency. Experience actually shows during an interview, you don't have to prove it -- if you have it, it should show.

Also, the certification may get you the interview, but if you don't have any internships, summer jobs, or other experience, what projects will you discuss during your interview? Are you going to discuss how you studied for the certification?

as a fresher i don't know much about the above ideas.i know just the basics.i don't know how can i involve myself in them.


This is a good point. If you don't have the skills, how would you accomplish such a task? This is why I don't agree with the "work on open source project". But that doesn't mean that you should go in with ZERO experence. Get an internship, Or something else to get some experience.

And BTW, if you do happen to go to an interview with zero experience, and they ask you why? Please don't say -- "i know just the basics.i don't know how can i involve myself in them". Remember, you are interviewing to work "in them". Saying that you didn't take any internships because you don't think you can do the job, is not a good argument for someone to give you a job.

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avi sinha
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i got the point
thanks alot for the valuable advice sir...
arulk pillai
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Internships and volunteer work can open doors for paid jobs if you prove yourself and lucky. You can also network with fellow professionals, who can help open doors for you elsewhere. As Henry mentioned, experience will look good on your resume and will give you something to talk about in your interview.

IMHO, hands-on experience and theoretical knowldge should go hand-in hand and theoretical knowldge can be easily learned via good books and online resources. As you gain experience, drill into the relevant theory to master that piece of technology/framework/tool. I don't believe in just cramming for 3-6 months to get certified. It may work for others. There are so many technolgies/frameworks and still evolving. The fastest way to get on top of all these is via hands-on experience and at the same time lerning the fundamentals via online resources.
avi sinha
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arulk pillai wrote:The fastest way to get on top of all these is via hands-on experience and at the same time lerning the fundamentals via online resources.


sir now i understand the differance.i have seen the tutorials on your blog and have downloaded them for studying.
can you please list some more links of useful resources.
i also read your article on resume writting and other things and was quite impressive.
thanks alot for the useful information sir.
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You can google (http://www.ggogle.com) for a number of tutorials depending on your preferences. For example

you can use key terms like

-- "JBoss tutorials"
-- "JEE eclipse tutorials"
-- "JEE +netbeans tutorials"
-- "JDBC tutorials"


There are also a number of free online courses like

http://www.javapassion.com/


search for +Free online SOA course"

You will get better at searching for valuable resources over time and with experience.


Good luck.
avi sinha
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excellent links sir.....
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many many thanks to you
avi sinha
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i have gone through the content of the link.i am quite impressed and have made my mind to join it as soon as a new course is started.

its quite a great idea to learn new technologies.

i also came to know that Sang Shin sir will provide a certificate to those who will complete the course with all requirements.
i just want to know wheather the certificate will be accepted or recognised by software companies? and what is its value?

lots of thanks in advance

avi sinha
avi sinha
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sorry if i am asking too many questions...
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Certifications are in general for your own good, and employers may look at it favourably along with other accomplishments, but no one will just hire for certfifications alone.
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avi sinha wrote: sorry if i am asking too many questions...
You aren't asking too many questions.
Duran Harris
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Please have a look at javablackbelt.com.......That is definitely my favourite site(aside from Javaranch)


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