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John Boyle
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Joined: Apr 17, 2009
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Hi,

I have few Sun certs related to java: SCJP, SCMAD, SCWCD and I have been studying SCBCD.
And its not a secret that Sun has been in trouble since the end of the dot com boom.

I am afraid of "depending" too much on Sun papers to show my qualifications and then Sun disappearing somehow, either been bought/bankrupt whatever....

My question is: Where to go now?

I can try to take this SCBCD certification as an equivalent but with Oracle, Oracle WebLogic Developer blah blah blah... And later continue the Java path in other companies.
Or I can start looking at other technologies. Lets say Microsoft, IBM, Oracle for development certifications.
Or even take few basic ones like Oracle DB just to prove my skills in SQL and db management.

Has anyone experienced this? Can someone point me a way?
The only thing I wont do is to stay put.

Thanks
K. Tsang
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Joined: Sep 13, 2007
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Wow you do have most Sun Java certs. I don't think you should worry about Sun that much because Java is here stay. In fact have you thought of getting the other remaining Java certs (SCJD, SCEA and SCDJWS)?

Well besides Java you may want to look into MS .NET or other java-related stuff like rails, groovy. In fact there can be many technologies you can do. Ultimately just depends on your interests and desires and of course what the industry requires. Doesn't everyone of us want to be jack-of-all-trade?


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fahd helwani
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Joined: Jul 18, 2006
Posts: 63

I think I got the same ideas that John Boyle got, since I'm SCJP, SCWCD and SCBCD. since my last certification I don't know what to do? should I start working on SCEA for example? what will be the effect of current Sun's situation on the certification paths? should I try something over than java???

I do have an experience in Oracle DB solutions, but I don't like the idea to widen the field since I'm more into development. I considered IBM SOA but I don't know I feel this is not the right path for me.

any suggestions would be highly appreciated.

SCJP 5 (80%), SCWCD 5 (85%), SCBCD 5 (80%), CAPM, SCEA/OCMJEA
Hong Anderson
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Joined: Jul 05, 2005
Posts: 1936
Sun != Java.
And Sun Java Certifications are not product-based, they are specification-based.

Whether Sun will be bankrupt or not, I don't think it does matter with Sun Java Certifications.


SCJA 1.0, SCJP 1.4, SCWCD 1.4, SCBCD 1.3, SCJP 5.0, SCEA 5, SCBCD 5; OCUP - Fundamental, Intermediate and Advanced; IBM Certified Solution Designer - OOAD, vUML 2; SpringSource Certified Spring Professional
fahd helwani
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so I think Kengkaj that you recommend continuing for SCEA ?
Ulf Dittmer
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Welcome to JavaRanch.

I would start with the question "Why do you feel the need to get (more) certifications?" Experience trumps certifications hands-down, and definitely so if you have a few certifications already. What do you hope to gain by getting more of them? Are you currently unemployed, or looking for a new job? If the latter, I'd suggest to spend time learning stuff that's useful for the kind of job you're looking for.
Devaka Cooray
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Ulf Dittmer wrote:I would start with the question "Why do you feel the need to get (more) certifications?" Experience trumps certifications hands-down, and definitely so if you have a few certifications already. What do you hope to gain by getting more of them? Are you currently unemployed, or looking for a new job? If the latter, I'd suggest to spend time learning stuff that's useful for the kind of job you're looking for.


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Hong Anderson
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Ulf Dittmer wrote:
I would start with the question "Why do you feel the need to get (more) certifications?" Experience trumps certifications hands-down, and definitely so if you have a few certifications already. What do you hope to gain by getting more of them? Are you currently unemployed, or looking for a new job? If the latter, I'd suggest to spend time learning stuff that's useful for the kind of job you're looking for.

I think the most benefit of certification for individual is it's a tool/method for continuing education. Experience is good, but then why people study bachelor, master, doctoral degree, or why company send employees to attend training courses?

They are simply different ways of learning, taking certifications requires individual to study/learn topics in their objectives. Preparing and taking certifications are merely one form of formal education.
Hong Anderson
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fahd helwani wrote:so I think Kengkaj that you recommend continuing for SCEA ?

My opinion is Sun's issue isn't directly related to Sun Java Certifications. It would matter if a company (in future) that will acquire Sun doesn't want to support Java technology anymore, and after that Java is less popular.
Ulf Dittmer
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Kengkaj Sathianpantarit wrote:I think the most benefit of certification for individual is it's a tool/method for continuing education. Experience is good, but then why people study bachelor, master, doctoral degree, or why company send employees to attend training courses?

Most people acquire only a single degree, and then maybe an additional advanced degree, not several more, so I don't think this is a good analogy.

As to training courses, yes - if the company wants to introduce a new technology, then the employees need to know about that; training courses are a way of getting them started. But that, too, is not what the question is about.

What I'm questioning is not the general value of certifications (although I do think it's limited, but that's a different discussion that we won't get into here). What I'm questioning is the wisdom of getting more of them in the situation described above. To be sure of the advice one would need to know about the situation, which is why I asked the questions. A blanket recommendation of "yes, you should get more" would in my view definitely be the wrong advice at this point.
Hong Anderson
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As I said, Sun Java Certifications are specification-based. And even Sun would be acquired by other company, Java platform can still be evolved via JCP.
http://www.jcp.org/en/introduction/faq

But if Sun Java Certifications are product-based like about Sun GlassFish Enterprise Server, I would recommend not to take them until the situation becomes clearer.
 
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