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Rajah Nagur
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Relief in sight for SUN!


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What would this merger mean to Java and what would this have meant in case IBM had bought SUN Microsystems?
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Bad news for MySQL. And probably bad news for Glassfish.


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Ulf Dittmer
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We estimate that the acquired business will contribute over $1.5 billion to Oracle's non-GAAP operating profit in the first year, increasing to over $2 billion in the second year.

It will be interesting to see how they plan to pull this off. Sun's recent net income/net loss history:
PeriodGain / Loss
2009 Q2-209m
2009 Q1-1677m
2008+403m
2007+473m
2006-876m

(Q1 2009 includes a $1.445 billion non-cash charge for goodwill impairment.)


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vaibhav mishra
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and what about the JavaFX


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Paul Sturrock
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vaibhav mishra wrote:and what about the JavaFX


Oracle currently doesn't own any products/technologies that compete with this. Mind you its got its own problems trying to catch up with Flex and Silverlight, but that's another story.
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Tejas Jain
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I think it is a good news for the IT industry (except Microsoft). I do not know if Oracle can run the hardware server section of SUN.

Has Oracle replaced Oracle Application Server with Weblogic?

What about IBM and Microsoft?


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Vikram Kohli
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Todd Jain wrote:
Has Oracle replaced Oracle Application Server with Weblogic?


Yes Oracle has replaced the Oracle application server(OC4J) with web logic in there 11g release of the Jdeveloper.

This move of Oracle will be very intersting to watch. Oracle is more sucuessful in selling/commercialize software then Sun. And I hope that support and quality of Sun products will not get depricated.

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Akash Raje
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How will this affect certification exams ?


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Hong Anderson
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Akash Raje wrote:How will this affect certification exams ?

Oracle doesn't have similar certifications, I think there shouldn't be any affect to the existing Sun Java Certifications excepts their name are likely to be changed from Sun Certified XXX to Oracle Certified XXX.

In case of BEA Certification you can take a look at this link: http://blogs.oracle.com/certification/2008/12/bea_certification_integration.html


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Pat Farrell
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I see this as bad news. Not so much for Java, but for MySql. I'm biased, I dislike Oracle's corporate style, or rather their lack of ethics.

MySql is a credible competitor to Oracle's DB. Not as good, doesn't scale as well, but solid and much cheaper. I don't see how Oracle will put the effort into improving MySql to make it a better product that is even closer in abilities to Oracle's DB.

But, its a fact, no point in worrying about it. Deal is done.
Hong Anderson
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Pat Farrell wrote:
MySql is a credible competitor to Oracle's DB. Not as good, doesn't scale as well, but solid and much cheaper. I don't see how Oracle will put the effort into improving MySql to make it a better product that is even closer in abilities to Oracle's DB.

Have you ever used PostgreSQL? I don't know much about about RDBMS, but I have heard that PostgreSQL is much better than MySQL. As you said, this is the end of MySQL for sure, and probably the same for Sun GlassFish Enterprise Server as well.
Jane Somerfield
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Is this good for Java? What if Oracle does something that IBM does not like?
What about open sources? Larry doesn't like competition with cheaps.

Check out this: http://money.cnn.com/2009/04/20/technology/sun_oracle_ibm/index.htm?postversion=2009042013
Jesper de Jong
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I don't know if it's good for Java; Oracle is certainly not hostile to Java, and anyway, Java is so big and important that whoever buys Sun can't ignore or neglect it.

It's probably bad news for MySQL and we'll also have to see what it means for Glassfish and NetBeans...


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Giriraj Bhojak
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I heard the webcast where Oracle's CEO says that Java and Solaris are the two largest factors for Oracle to buy Sun.
I hope this translates into more innovation for Java and protecting the open nature of Java.
Can't imagine having to pay for the next version of Java

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Sharon whipple
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Bad news for Java developers and the open source world...
oracle is expert in buying good applications/companies and mess them up...

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Brian Legg
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I already know C#, VB.NET, and MOSS so I'm good

Seriously hope they don't mess everything up though, Java is still my favorite language and I was just starting to learn both MySQL and Glassfish.

Oh well, back to learning JavaScript and ASP for now

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Onkar Joshi
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Read this somewhere...

MySQL is now TheirSQL.



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Prabz Bhatia
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BAD NEWS, Seriously Bad,
I don't think Oracle likes open source stuff... What happens to the ongoing open source projects like OpenJDK or NetBeans, or MySQL, or OpenOffice???
Deepak Bala
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Their deal is pending stockholder approval, other approval etc etc, but it looks like it will go through. Its hard to guess what Oracle's strategy is but with BEA and Sun now on their side, Oracle looks quite strong. I have no idea what they plan to do with MySQL or GlassFish and netbeans. And what happens to java DB (Derby right ?)


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Bruce Alspaugh
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I wonder what this means for the future of NetBeans and JDeveloper. I'm not sure it makes sense for Oracle to support two Java IDE's. Would it make sense to merge these two IDE's? The licensing is different. My understanding is that NetBeans is open source, but JDeveloper is not. Would source code still be made available for the merged IDE? Which IDE will be discontinued?

I believe JDeveloper is originally based on really old Borland JBuilder code. Has Oracle put much development effort into JDeveloper recently? Does JDeveloper have anything that couldn't be ported to NetBeans?


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Vikram Kohli
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Bruce Alspaugh wrote: Has Oracle put much development effort into JDeveloper recently?


They have indeed put lot of efforts in Jdeveloper. Jdeveloper is now a single IDE to develop applications/ projects on BPEL/ESB, Webcenter and ADF. Don't know which IDE will be continued. But after acquiring BEA, though they have chosen to use Weblogic over OC4J as the web container, but haven't encouraged the development to take place using web logic IDE. May be same will happen this time also, they will pick good features from Net beans and will put them in Jdeveloper.


Faisal Ahmad
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I guess Oracle would come up with something like this:
Sparc/other Sun's hardware + Solaris OS/Linux OS + Oracle DB + Java Technology
just like Microsoft's:
Windows OS + SQL Server + Visual Studio

Sadly, that definitely means an end to MySQL.
Oracle has been supporting Eclipse a lot. I doubt if it supports Netbeans. But, it should support Netbeans given its wide usage.
Glassfish etc. products' future seems to be uncertain.
Rizvan Asgarov
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Hi ranchers,
Don't worry be happy!
Maybe this is the excellent news...
In my opinion Java is lovable and it is the wolf of all languages...
And Oracle is the dragon of the databases...

We shall further be called evidently as Oracle-Java Developer, not Java Developer.

Thanks!

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Rajah Nagur
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OMG! Oracle has almost acquired 50+ companies. Their growth mantra is just to keep acquiring.
Source wikipedia.

Btw, about this acquisition:

Sun = Great products, Poor marketing
Oracle = Mediocre products, Excellent Marketing

Oracle + Sun = Great Mediocre products with excellent poor marketing
samana qi
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the product of SUN 's forecast

Solaris:not good 。

Java:profitably。

JavaEE:profitably。

JavaME:not good。Google Android

JavaFX:not good。

NetBeans:not good。Oracle has it own JDeveloper.

MySQL:not good。 mysql go to its end

OpenOffice:litmusless.
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Prabz Bhatia wrote:
BAD NEWS, Seriously Bad,
I don't think Oracle likes open source stuff... What happens to the ongoing open source projects like OpenJDK or NetBeans, or MySQL, or OpenOffice???


It is much better than no one buying Sun, otherwise the company would just continue to post large losses till it goes out of business.

As for open source projects, whats to stop someone just forking the existing code stream and making a new product from that? My guess is that is what will happen to MySQL, since I can't see a reason for Oracle to support or promote it.
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Don't think there will be a future for low end Sparc based machines as Oracle will most lightly develop a high end (expensive £) Sparc / Solaris / Database / Weblogic / Jdeveloper (version 1.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.netbeans.1 ) solutions for large companies - and offer customers expensive service level agreements. They then can try to take market share away from IBM.

Expect that they will continue to offer cheaper solutions by allowing oracle to run on linux / solaris on Intel / AMD based machines, but these will be for medium sized clients.

This is bad news for other IT suppilers that have used solaris / java, for example Sybase who tend to have a large market share in certain business sectors. They may have to move their business towards linux or migrate over to the Oracle products.

Their main reason for the purchase was for the software - they needed to stop IBM from getting Java and Solaris.

Not sure what this actually means for the future of Java, maybe we will have to start paying more to use it - or more lightly we will be offered a tightly intergrated suit of development products.

And what happens to java DB (Derby right ?)
- Derby is an open source product, which was based on an old Informix (now IBM) development - an old rival of Oracle. Since its open source then it should be fine.

Maybe its time to learn Ruby I also note that this site is now under the name http://www.coderanch.com


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Seems like Jonathan Schwartz's plan didn't work after all:
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Rizvan Asgarov wrote:Hi ranchers,
Don't worry be happy!
Maybe this is the excellent news...
In my opinion Java is lovable and it is the wolf of all languages...
And Oracle is the dragon of the databases...

We shall further be called evidently as Oracle-Java Developer, not Java Developer.

Thanks!


Yes that sounds good to me!
Peter Rooke
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The ServerSide also got it slightly wrong:



denis sorn
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Regarding MySQL. Actually Oracle bought Innodb back in 2006. Considering that Innodb is more 'serious' / appropriate engine for enterprise applications I would like to see some comments on this acquisition and its influence on MySQL / Innodb...
Peter Rooke
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What If Oracle Bought Sun?

What is to stop oracle offering a low cost solution - MySQL / Innobase / Glassfish / Solaris / Intel which would not really compromise its existing products. This article rightly suggests that these products would complement oracles existing products.
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Sharon whipple wrote:Bad news for Java developers and the open source world...
oracle is expert in buying good applications/companies and mess them up...

I am starting to learn c#


Brian Legg wrote:I already know C#, VB.NET, and MOSS so I'm good


Stop scaring the hell out of me. I don't want to learn C# or any other Microsoft technologies. Microsoft is too restrictive. Even the most basic certification from microsoft needs 1 year experience (this is what I was told by my friends who work on ASP .Net). Its just too much for people like us to handle...


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Oracle also has Berkeley DB, I think JavaDB will not be supported anymore.
Maneesh Godbole
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Let all the sissies switch from java to other languages.
The remaining ones will mint millions maintaining legacy code.

Mwhhaahahahahahahahaha.


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Maneesh Godbole wrote:Let all the sissies switch from java to other languages.
The remaining ones will mint millions maintaining legacy code.

Mwhhaahahahahahahahaha.


Petr Kleja
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Ankit Garg wrote:
Sharon whipple wrote:Bad news for Java developers and the open source world...
oracle is expert in buying good applications/companies and mess them up...

I am starting to learn c#


Brian Legg wrote:I already know C#, VB.NET, and MOSS so I'm good


Stop scaring the hell out of me. I don't want to learn C# or any other Microsoft technologies. Microsoft is too restrictive. Even the most basic certification from microsoft needs 1 year experience (this is what I was told by my friends who work on ASP .Net). Its just too much for people like us to handle...



You are partially right. It is hard to handle all these technologies but nowadays we have no other choice than to know both side of the river :-)

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