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I'm afraid of it. I'd better stop consuming pork anymore.


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OK, I've been in a dark hole all weekend so what'd I miss? What is this swine flu and what's the deal?


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Brian Legg wrote:OK, I've been in a dark hole all weekend so what'd I miss? What is this swine flu and what's the deal?


Nothing to do with eating pork, in any case. A late season flu -- a strain they call "swine flu" because it used pigs as a host at some point, and has some pig RNA in it -- has killed more than 20 people in Mexico in the last week or so, and there are more than 100 known cases. About 20 cases have shown up in the US, including 8 students who returned to NYC after a vacation in Mexico.

No reason to panic, anyway, but wash your hands and if you feel achy and feverish, stay home from work and call your doctor!
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Ernest Friedman-Hill wrote:
Brian Legg wrote:OK, I've been in a dark hole all weekend so what'd I miss? What is this swine flu and what's the deal?


Nothing to do with eating pork, in any case.


Has everything to do with eating pork. If we as a society stop consuming meat alot of these outbreaks would stop happening as the interaction between pigs/chicken/cow and human would be minimal. I can imagine it must be quite frustrating for people who are vegan also having to worry about catching this disease even though they have not contributed to its outbreak.


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In other words, it has nothing to do with eating pork.
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Arvind Mahendra wrote:
Ernest Friedman-Hill wrote:
Brian Legg wrote:OK, I've been in a dark hole all weekend so what'd I miss? What is this swine flu and what's the deal?


Nothing to do with eating pork, in any case.


Has everything to do with eating pork. If we as a society stop consuming meat alot of these outbreaks would stop happening as the interaction between pigs/chicken/cow and human would be minimal. I can imagine it must be quite frustrating for people who are vegan also having to worry about catching this disease even though they have not contributed to its outbreak.



It is spread through germs the same way a regular flu is spread. If the pork is cooked properly a person will not get it from the meat. From the person handling it, maybe, but not the meat.

And as for not eating meat at all, that is a can of worms I don't want to open here.


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Hmmmp, sounds like the latest scare is all *yawn*... I'm about the least germaphobic person you'll find. I figure that if there's something out there that I can catch that will actually kill me here in middle America then I won't be the first and I'll take precautions ahead of time. Anyways, I just read the reports and it sounds like the only deaths are new borns and the very elderly. Again, sounds boring... :P
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Ernest Friedman-Hill wrote:About 20 cases have shown up in the US, including 8 students who returned to NYC after a vacation in Mexico.

Now up to 28 (or possibly 35) at that school.

Brian Legg wrote:it sounds like the only deaths are new borns and the very elderly.

I read the opposite. That this flu was worse because deaths occurred amongst people in their 20's-40's. Or course now that I look for it, I can't find the source. So maybe it was incorrect.


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Brian Legg wrote:and it sounds like the only deaths are new borns and the very elderly. Again, sounds boring...

Except, of course, for the loved ones of those infants and elderly.
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Jeanne Boyarsky wrote:
I read the opposite. That this flu was worse because deaths occurred amongst people in their 20's-40's. Or course now that I look for it, I can't find the source. So maybe it was incorrect.


Yes, the deaths in Mexico have been striking at the heart of the population; there are two theories why. One is that people in that age range tend not to get vaccinated for the flu, but this year's flu vaccine actually works on this virus. That's the optimistic interpretation.

The pessimistic one is that people with the strongest immune systems are dying because their body attacks the virus vigorously, and the histamine reaction floods their lungs and they die of pneumonia.

They don't know which it is, yet.
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Good job missing the point of the previous three posts, there.

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Brian Legg wrote:and the very elderly


Is it that it only effects the weak? I've heard that it could be a variant of the Spanish flu. And that flu especially effected the people in the strong resistant age of 20 to 40, specifically NOT the weak. Both Spanish and Swine flu are of influenza type A, H1N1 subtype.
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Marcel Wentink wrote:that flu especially effected the people in the strong resistant age of 20 to 40, specifically NOT the weak.


You are correct:

. . .most of the people who died from swine flu in Mexico were in the prime of their lives really, and this usually hits infants or the elderly.
. . .in these cases, it's the immune system itself that reacts robustly, and it's the immune system in that reaction to the virus that is causing death in these patients. So the virus starts that cascade, but all that fluid builds up in the lungs, and all those inflammatory cells throughout the body -- that's what's causing the problem. We saw the same thing with SARS and with avian flu as well.
Which is why exactly as you said ... [people in their] 20s and 30s and 40s, this hospital behind me, they say that's been the bulk of their patients with regard to swine flu.

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Here is a Google map of Swine Flu cases so you can keep track.
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Brian Legg wrote:Hmmmp, sounds like the latest scare is all *yawn*... I'm about the least germaphobic person you'll find. I figure that if there's something out there that I can catch that will actually kill me here in middle America then I won't be the first and I'll take precautions ahead of time. Anyways, I just read the reports and it sounds like the only deaths are new borns and the very elderly. Again, sounds boring... :P

Maybe its just a hoax and more likely an April Fools thing?
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W. Joe Smith wrote:
Arvind Mahendra wrote:
Ernest Friedman-Hill wrote:
Brian Legg wrote:OK, I've been in a dark hole all weekend so what'd I miss? What is this swine flu and what's the deal?


Nothing to do with eating pork, in any case.


Has everything to do with eating pork. If we as a society stop consuming meat alot of these outbreaks would stop happening as the interaction between pigs/chicken/cow and human would be minimal. I can imagine it must be quite frustrating for people who are vegan also having to worry about catching this disease even though they have not contributed to its outbreak.



It is spread through germs the same way a regular flu is spread. If the pork is cooked properly a person will not get it from the meat. From the person handling it, maybe, but not the meat.

And as for not eating meat at all, that is a can of worms I don't want to open here.
No, the point is that if we didn't keep chickens, cows and pigs, these flu incubators would not exist. Likewise, I've heard that a great deal of water, soil and oil is used up raising food animals.

I suppose the presumption is that if we became vegetarians we'd put all these animals on birth control. Letting them live full, long lives reproducing freely would only make the problem worse.
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Ah, diseases will always exist, and we need some germs to get natural resistance up to level. And I am not stopping to eat meat for that, until now, 100 to 6 and a half billion chance of dieing of the flu.
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First mad cow disease, then avian flu, now swine flu? Did the animal kingdom have a meeting?

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This was patient zero: http://imgur.com/27K39.jpg

It has been keeping us busy where I work with updating info for researchers: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/

It is pretty cool seeing how fast things are being done with it with the sequencing.

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Am I the only one scared?? I have a meeting in the afternoon. Should I go or should I not?? CDC was mentioning not meet in groups.


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Eric Pascarello wrote:This was patient zero: http://imgur.com/27K39.jpg


funny. but that was NOT patient zero.
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Swine flu or no swine flu 36K patients die of flu related causes in America annually so you're probably all just overreacting




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Marco Reuel Perez wrote:Am I the only one scared?? I have a meeting in the afternoon. Should I go or should I not?? CDC was mentioning not meet in groups.


I'm not even concerned. Of course, I live in Ohio, where there's been only one confirmed case.
Is there a large infestation where you are? The best things you can do is wash your hands often and avoid people who are coughing.
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I live in Missouri, and there are 2 cases in KS, IN, IL and 1 in NE,OH.. May be I am little "too" scared.. But I am very prone to allergies.. I have been putting up with the pollen and mold allergies already this season.. Just wanted to be cautious..

The thing that scares me is how fast this thing is spreading around, and I see in t.v all the higher ups saying that they wouldn't be surprised at the rate that it would go up. They all speculate that this would become even worse..

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Joe Ess wrote:
Marco Reuel Perez wrote:Am I the only one scared?? I have a meeting in the afternoon. Should I go or should I not?? CDC was mentioning not meet in groups.


I'm not even concerned. Of course, I live in Ohio, where there's been only one confirmed case.
Is there a large infestation where you are? The best things you can do is wash your hands often and avoid people who are coughing.


I'm not concerned either. I think I came off as uncaring in my last post but I just couldn't care less about this story (sorry). And the hand washing and avoiding coughing people... that should be a daily regiment, not a special occasion. I called my boss this moring complaining of swine flu... he didn't even care!

Eric, that was great!!
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Marco Reuel Perez wrote:and I see in t.v all the higher ups saying that they wouldn't be surprised at the rate that it would go up. They all speculate that this would become even worse..


There's your problem. Too much TV. They'll say anything to keep you tuned in.
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http://doihaveswineflu.org/

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Brian Legg wrote:... And the hand washing and avoiding coughing people... that should be a daily regiment, not a special occasion.

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And come someone explain to me how washing hands stops an airborne disease? While I agree that washing hands is going to keep you generally healthier, and therefore there might be a correlation with reducing chances of general infections, I cannot see how it will stop people catching flu (of any genus).

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Andrew Monkhouse wrote:
And come someone explain to me how washing hands stops an airborne disease?


Flu carrier coughs on his hand, shakes hands with you or touches a door knob you use, you touch nose or eyes, you get sick. It's a very popular disease vector.
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Right now I'm having a Flu too. When I first heard about Swine Flu, I said to myself, am I so unlucky to have this disease. But this is just a normal flu and I'm on my recovery path right now...


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Andrew Monkhouse wrote:While I agree that washing hands is going to keep you generally healthier


I do not! You must have something too clean in your body, just to keep your anti bodies in shape. Otherwise you will get auto imume diseases since your anti bodies have nothing to do. We live that over and over hygienic these present days, that it leads to all kind of allergic diseases. Give it to me that flu! Just try it!
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Marcel Wentink wrote:
Andrew Monkhouse wrote:While I agree that washing hands is going to keep you generally healthier


I do not! You must have something too clean in your body, just to keep your anti bodies in shape. Otherwise you will get auto imume diseases since your anti bodies have nothing to do. We live that over and over hygienic these present days, that it leads to all kind of allergic diseases. Give it to me that flu! Just try it!


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