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fred rosenberger
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Honestly, I think the only good reason to post a link to the "Best <whatever> <whatevers>" (i.e. "Best comedy films" or "best 80's songs") is to have a discussion.

so, I present to you the Best Robot Movies.

Many of these I've never seen, and some I had to think about where the 'robot' was (Alien, for example).

What are your favorite 'robot' movies?


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Wall-E is pure gold as far as I'm concerned.
The first Terminator was good for low-budget action (ripoff of Westworld. . .) but the second Terminator is one of my favorite (robot) action movies.


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Hmmm, I'm going to balk at some of those titles. Alien is a master flick, but the presence of an android doesn't make it a "robot movie" any more than the presence of Lt. Cmdr. Data makes the Next-Gen series of Star Trek movies "robot movies".

WALL-E, The Terminator, Terminator 2, Westworld, The Iron Giant, all great robot movies. I enjoyed the cheese that was RoboCop, but I'm not sure if cyborgs qualify as robots.

Not so great robot movies: The Transformers, I-Robot, and while The Stepford Wives was a great book, not so great on the screen.

Now as to great robots that are not in "robot movies", Gort, and Robbie have to top the list! (HAL was not a robot!)


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Was your issue with "I, Robot" with the movie itself, or simply because is had nothing more to do with the book than the title?

I don't think it was bad in-and-of-itself, but it probably should have been named "Will Smith beats up a bunch of Robots".
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Bear Bibeault wrote:...the presence of an android...

He prefers the term "artificial person"

(yes, I know I'm jumping movies here...)
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Bear Bibeault wrote: I enjoyed the cheese that was RoboCop, but I'm not sure if cyborgs qualify as robots.


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Bear Bibeault wrote:Hmmm, I'm going to balk at some of those titles. Alien is a master flick, but the presence of an android doesn't make it a "robot movie" any more than the presence of Lt. Cmdr. Data makes the Next-Gen series of Star Trek movies "robot movies".


True, but if we count RoboCop, then at least 1 Star Trek: TNG movie should count as a robot movie.

Star TreK: First Contact dealt entirely with the Enterprise fighting the Borg, who were cyborgnetic lifeforms much in the same way RoboCop was a cyborg.
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fred rosenberger wrote:Was your issue with "I, Robot" with the movie itself
The story itself. Didn't care for it. I went in with no Asimovian expectations.

fred rosenberger wrote:He prefers the term "artificial person"
Of course. How insensitive of me!

Joe Ess wrote:ED-209 disagrees, gives you 20 seconds to comply
A quite literal LOL!

W. Joe Smith wrote:True, but if we count RoboCop...
Still not sure that cyborgs count as robots.
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The ABC Warrior in Judge Dredd is definately worth a mention: http://www.jeffbots.com/judgedredd.html
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Bear Bibeault wrote:

W. Joe Smith wrote:True, but if we count RoboCop...
Still not sure that cyborgs count as robots.


I'm on the fence. I mean technically they have robotic parts. But if someone gets a robotic arm they don't count as a robot. So what is the line? 80% robot? 90% robot?

I would say the Borg are close enough to count, or at least the Borg Queen.
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I'd say as long as there's an organic brain in there somewhere, it's a cyborg, not a robot. So for me, both the Borg and RoboCop are cyborgs. The Terminators, however are robots. Even though they do cover themselves in organic tissue to facilitate time travel, they have robot brains, and so they're robots. That's where I personally would draw the line.
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Mike Simmons wrote:I'd say as long as there's an organic brain in there somewhere, it's a cyborg, not a robot. So for me, both the Borg and RoboCop are cyborgs. The Terminators, however are robots. Even though they do cover themselves in organic tissue to facilitate time travel, they have robot brains, and so they're robots. That's where I personally would draw the line.


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Mike Simmons wrote:I'd say as long as there's an organic brain in there somewhere, it's a cyborg, not a robot. So for me, both the Borg and RoboCop are cyborgs. The Terminators, however are robots. Even though they do cover themselves in organic tissue to facilitate time travel, they have robot brains, and so they're robots. That's where I personally would draw the line.


I will be totally onboard with that, but it disqualifies the daleks, IMHO the most awesome robot design ever


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Gabriel Claramunt wrote:daleks, IMHO the most awesome cyborg design ever

Fixed.
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Anything featuring Kevin Costner qualifies as a "robot" movie.


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marc weber wrote:Anything featuring Kevin Costner qualifies as a "robot" movie.


I didn't know they had robots during the civil war!
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marc weber wrote:Anything featuring Kevin Costner qualifies as a "robot" movie.

Harrison Ford used to be my front-runner for the "human unintentionally perceived as a robot" role, but after seeing "The International" I'm ready to award the title to Clive Owen...
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Steve McQueen is another -- especially in "La Mans." I love that movie because it's so bad.

But seriously, "Westworld" and "The Stepford Wives" are both great robot movies. (Both are a little weak as films, but the robot aspect is great.)
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What about the made-for-TV Knight Rider movie? I think that should count.

Man that car was awesome.
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W. Joe Smith wrote:What about the made-for-TV Knight Rider movie? I think that should count.

Man that car was awesome.

Hmmm, can a computerized car be considered a robot? I'm not sure. Does that make the Enterprise a robot? Or any other computerized vehicle?
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I don't know about KITT (Knight Industries Two Thousand), but his evil nemesis KARR was by definition a robot - the Knight Industries Roving Robot.

Seriously (if I can pretend to be serious while arguing robots), KITT was an intelligent being who was fully capable of making complicated decisions and controlling itself. The enterprise did have a computer, but couldn't decide whether or not to raise shields, fire on the enemy, or even where to go next on it's own.
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fred rosenberger wrote:I don't know about KITT (Knight Industries Two Thousand), but his evil nemesis KARR was by definition a robot - the Knight Industries Roving Robot.

Seriously (if I can pretend to be serious while arguing robots), KITT was an intelligent being who was fully capable of making complicated decisions and controlling itself. The enterprise did have a computer, but couldn't decide whether or not to raise shields, fire on the enemy, or even where to go next on it's own.


This brings up a good point. When does a machine cross the line to be considered a robot? I mean I feel like KITT should be considered a robot for the reasons that fred stated. Does a robot have to have independent thought, at least enough to handle unforseen circumstances? What about robots that, say, are used to build cars? If you hand them a car upside down, or sideways, or even the wrong model are they designed to recognize and adapt?

Why is our discussion of robot movies taking this serious of a turn?
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When does a machine cross the line to be considered a robot?

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KITT was never referred to as a robot, but as an AI.
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W. Joe Smith wrote:Why is our discussion of robot movies taking this serious of a turn?

You count this as serious?
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No sense of humor. Clearly, Joe is a robot infiltrator.
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Bear Bibeault wrote:
W. Joe Smith wrote:Why is our discussion of robot movies taking this serious of a turn?

You count this as serious?


I used to work in a theatre where we had a serious debate as to whether zombies or vampires are scary, as well as serious discussions about what to do in the event of a zombie outbreak.

I find this thread very funny but it is also pretty interesting to see what people consider to be a robot.

As such, I am not sure if I consider KITT a robot or not. I mean it is kind of a shady area.

And I am not a robot infiltrator! If I was I would be a better speller, and couldn't use contractions! On a related note, I just realized that was the first contraction I used this whole post....
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W. Joe Smith wrote:If I was I would be a better speller ...

And use better grammar! <ducks>
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fred rosenberger wrote:... The enterprise did have a computer, but couldn't decide whether or not to raise shields, fire on the enemy, or even where to go next on it's own.

Except when under control of Dr. Daystrom's M5.



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Bear Bibeault wrote:
W. Joe Smith wrote:If I was I would be a better speller ...

And use better grammar! <ducks>


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