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HFJS too obscene and offending !

Poonam Kohli
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As much as I am enjoying the HFJS book, I find it offending.

First off, it talks about alcoholic beverages. The light note saying that non-beer loving people can substitute the word beer for Coffee, does not buy me. I find all that talk too offending.

Then it uses “F***” word and then further it uses “WTF”. Too obscene..

I am not sure if someone else finds this too much of explicit language or I am the only religious person studying this book.

If I ever meet the authors, I would definitely tell them to keep their sense of humour within limits. So as to not offend anyone.
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I don't think it's necessarily an issue of "religious" people in general finding it offensive; I know plenty of religious people that drink alcohol. It may not jibe with *your* religion, but that's different.

I couldn't actually find the "f-word" in the book--where is it? I think "wtf" has been generally accepted into the lexicon as a non-offensive substitute for actual swearing.

I mean, I'm not even remotely offended by those words (they're just words), and I'm not offended by people talking about things I *am* offended by--I can't control others, I can only control my reactions. Maybe just send an email to the authors and/or publishers and let it go, and cover up the offending phrases with permanent marker.
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If that's the types of thing you take offense at, I'd recommend turning down the gain on your offense-o-meter or you are going to spend your life being offended when exposed to cultures other than your own.


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Oh, wait.
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Literally, LOL!
Poonam Kohli
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Bear Bibeault wrote:If that's the types of thing you take offense at, I'd recommend turning down the gain on your offense-o-meter or you are going to spend your life being offended when exposed to cultures other than your own.


I am not ignoring other cultures. All I am saying is that there could be other example web applications than a beer related site. I really find it bad when each and every single page of the book talks about drinks. yes, I respect other cultures. But I do not really respect the act of drinking alcoholic beverages.

Anyways.. thats life.. World is getting better place to live in !!

Thanks for your responses.
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We must be reading completely different books. I'd still like to know where it uses the "f-word", though... (We are talking about Head First JavaScript, right?)

If you're offended by each and every page then you should return it. You don't have to "respect" the act of drinking alcoholic beverages--but being *offended* by it seems a bit extreme. Does that mean you don't respect me because I drink alcoholic beverages sometimes? Do I offend you by drinking them? Why do you care so much what I drink?

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Poonam Dhillon wrote:yes, I respect other cultures. But I do not really respect the act of drinking alcoholic beverages.

I find these statements contradictory.

In any case, we're not talking about feet-binding, or slavery, or child labor, or other morally repugnant traditions. Drinking alcohol (which I do not do, by the way) is hardly something to be offended by. If it against your particular religion, that's fine, you can choose not to imbibe. But to be offended by others that do, is just a little unreasonable.
Poonam Kohli
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David Newton wrote:We must be reading completely different books. I'd still like to know where it uses the "f-word", though... (We are talking about Head First JavaScript, right?)



I am talking of Head First Servlets and JSP. The word is at the very top of page 318.

I do not want to get into much discussion of drinking or not drinking. Its your personal choice. All I am saying is that I really hate the author talking about drinking in each and every page. If you are reading the book mentioned above, then I am sure you will notice that.

All I am saying is that authors would have chosen something else as an example webshop.

Anyways..
David Newton
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Oh; that's not HFJS.

Seriously, though--if you *hate* it then don't read it--simple as that. I reserve my hate for more important things.
David Newton
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First of all, it uses the word, literally, "f***". It doesn't even spell out "fuck".

Second, there's an explanation at the bottom:
Note to parents and teachers: the four-letter word implied in the thought bubble that starts with "f", followed by three asterisks, is NOT what you think. it was just a word that we found too funny to include without distracting the reader, so we bleeped it out. Because it's funny. Not bad.

So they even made a joke about making a joke about it. Nor does it talk about drinking on "every single page".

You're setting your offensibility gain a bit too high--you're going to be offended a *lot*.
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>>>> ".............I respect other cultures. But I do not really respect the act of drinking alcoholic beverages. ..............."

Well, some (many??) people may like it very much the way they explained in the book. No one is asking you to respect the act of drinking........
It is your personal opinion. In other way, The things you respect may not be respected by others. It is just an example to explain the concept, take it in that way ......

>>>>> "................All I am saying is that I really hate the author talking about drinking in each and every page................."
Friend, Please do not be too emotional.. take it easy

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David Newton wrote:

Oh, wait.

This went over my head last night. Now it's really funny. I must have been real tired!

Poonam: "Free as in beer" is a phrased used frequently in the free software industry. I highly recommend just getting used to the expression without offense. I don't drink, but I still joke about it plenty. And give and receive plenty of the non-alcoholic beer glass image David has used above.


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Poonam Dhillon wrote:
...and then further it uses “WTF”. Too obscene..


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Sridhar Gudipalli
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".... What is so obscene about "Worse Than Failure"? .........."

I hope she thought this is short form of What The F*** but not "Worse Than Failure". LOL.
Poonam Kohli
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Ok Ok.. I give up. Enjoy your drinks.. It is friday.. Do not waste time here. enjoy the drinks.. !!!
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I'll enjoy a nice lime-ade -- I don't drink alcohol.
David Newton
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I'll combine the two and have one of those lemon beers.

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We certainly never intend to offend anyone.

We DO intend to make our examples memorable, natural, easy-to-grasp, and when possible - fun.

(And phew!, I'm glad no one brought up the similarity between foo, bar, and fubar! )


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