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Dislike by association.

David O'Meara
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I'm not a fan of spreading negative emotions, but I have a problem.

A kid came into our office, I would guess his age at about 12. He announced that he had written, produced and recorded his own CD and he was selling them for $10 each to fund a trip to promote his music.

We asked his influences, and he said Oasis and U2.

My reaction was 'no', but we decided to take up a collection and buy one anyway. After playing a few songs, I now hate him and want my money back. By association I also hate Oasis and U2. I am considering hating their musical influences too. I hate the cd and the raw products that made it. Yes, I now hate paper and plastic.

To feel better, we wrapped it and are going to give it to a boss as a present.
Vikas Kapoor
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Originally posted by David O'Meara:
To feel better, we wrapped it and are going to give it to a boss as a present.


Now,Your boss may start hating you.
Bear Bibeault
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You bought it without a preview? I guess I'm spoiled by iTunes.


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Nicholas Jordan
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You thought you had a problem. Now you actually have a problem. You should start a cover story, "It's for the kid". or something. These CYA moves are paramount to survival and should have been contemplated before doing the disclaimer for negative emotions. In fact the kid brought you down by your own fear of negative emotion.

I used to see this psych, it was just for a relatively short time. I can do house of mirrors on her but I sorta tried to do some useful work because this person had just invested several years of collegiate work and needed the clinical time actually doing something useful. I was an easy case, or so I thought.

( strap in, sucker - your mind is mine )

I would talk for a few minutes, and trying to dig something useful out of her I would pull some information of value trying to do some useful work.



Eventually she would bocome focused and ask why the conversation always ended up talking about her. I thought that was funny, whe was supposed to be the one with the psyco degree.

So that drug on for awhile and eventually I just went on my own and did some deep running because ( like the reduced-pixel depth, dropped-frame world we have now ) she would not stay the course in The Void. I came back with a drawing of a concert that I would find myself at during a crucial juncture in my life destiny. I started working the issue and it became apparent all she wanted me to do was sit there and talk while she practiced collecting seventy five dollars an hour for dressing and acting professionally.

I dogged it off. Later that day she showed up drunk-driving at the pizza emporium where I worked and jumped the curb nearly crashing the wall. What was either her husband or boyfriend was sort of in the difficult situation you now find yourself in minus the 4000 pounds of Iron driven by 250 horsepower. The kid is gone, maybe he was packin Iron or something but he is gone for the moment. Since you do not like spreading negative emotions, I suggest you don't come back to post with what your boss says or your destroyed personal life.

At this point, you will dislike me as the post title sets out for our work.

Okay, no big deal. I got over fear of dislike long ago and now play it like Harpo in the Marx brothers. Let's skip past the Loo of Marx and ask, much farther back, why after the The Babylonians had a sexigesimal number system, later we would find 13 to carry heavy emotinal burden when other odd numbers were not so odd in the mind of most persons. I imagine you are probably degreed, like the student I tried to tutor in Deep Running. In the hopes of actually getting some work done under the guise of Meaningless Drivel, I reveal that the only thing I can come up with ( on thirteen ) is our popular culture holds Betrayal at the Last Meal as a sort of cultural icon and self-evident celebration of thirteen.

At the age of Thirteen, I experienced some .... how deep do you want to go?

I actually think that hannibal lecter ate cereal killers breakfast so that he could see the children suffer.

Looks to me like the kid got over on you. Big Time.


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Paul Clapham
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I think a little catharsis is what's called for here. (No, IANAP, so take this advice as being worth what you are paying for it.) Perhaps taking the CD out into the street and driving over it a few times would exorcise the demons. Or if the problem is more deep-seated, you could ask Liam Gallagher to come round and drive over the CD for you.
Nicholas Jordan
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Folks, believe it or not I can grasp what Serg Poluchaevskiy is saying.

Watch this:

First, we assume that Mr. Pluchaevskiy has read the title of the forum, unlike other areas of the ranch were total beginners fail to grasp the title of the forum. Such as (...snipped for sanity reasons...). We then procedded to the preliminary analysis that you have no reliable observation tool by which an arbitrary, unspecified "thing" can be employed for self-betterment. That is reasonable. We then posit that experience gained from the "thing" can be used in the future. The inablility to guage the unknown aka - "thing", leads to Dire Straits from our discussion about Things our kids won't understand.. That leads to re-evaluation of the threat theater as Metallica Live & Kabuki Theater, San Francisco, known epicenter of Western Hemisphere Artificial Intelligence research in U-Tube Feeding Times for Pixel Land Fantasy Machine.

Poster then proposes Reality Based Paradigm for reality based para-dime. In other words, get off your butt and get some exercise, proposing that this leads to discovery of effective solutions vis-a-vis inactivity being productive of weird thoughts:"way without exit". Thus, we find Serg in "Other" category at javaranch dot saloon. This displays the long-lead-time pre-processing of kids in the office selling cd's "...to fund a trip to promote his music". Did anyone ever actually fly a U-2? Using the reality based para chute suggest by Serg, Gary Powers discovered undocumented "facts of life": main difficulties in remote authentication where "things our kids won't understand" is used to dismiss substantive effort by Mall Weasels.

Mr. Poluchaevskiy, what is the significance of seven channels in Meaningless Drivel? Often we see off by one as mathematic, rarely do we see the Septenary Who doing research and development of Seven Angels, California as forever's venerable center for World of Words. Is it possible that this will result in changing world mindscape of forever?
Nicholas Jordan
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Originally posted by Serg Poluchaevskiy:
(...snip...)I didn't quite follow your topic, sorry!!! Exercises good for blood curculation in body and in the head also (In Japan in some factories it is common (from films))!


Looks to me like you did an excellent job of grasping my workup of your workup. What I am working towards is from field experience. What we have here is a wonderful opportunity to do some dot Security stuff. My seemingly subtle nuance is only so because the bracket ( range, scope, set of availabel values, list of rules ) when gettting unstuck from a precepted framework often involves 'discovering' a range of values that is so divergent from the option field when stuck that the brackets ( range of evaluation settings ) from one ( the stuck position ) does not match or even overlap the .....

I realize we have differing native linguistics. ( correct me if I am wrong ) Thus for me to grasp the essence of your assertion and build on it requires careful, tedious, repeated review beyond even the idiomatics of each's avaliable language.

True accomplishment may be done within the stuck bracket.

What you are talking about is getting some exercise to "raise the upper bound of available responses". What I am talking about is elucidated in

<CITE>Simson Garfinkel and Gene Spafford
Practical Unix & Internet Security
Oreilly & Associates, Inc.
Second Edition - Chapter 2

ISBN:1-56592-148-8</CITE>

In that workup, the authors discuss the differing approaches to maintaining an availability of information. Thus they make point that there are avenues of information disruption well beyond the immediate goal of say:


Too many workers think that if the information on an installation's data lines are obscured from use without a key, then the whole thing is protected. Far from this view, the central role considers the cost of loss of information to be balanced against the cost of some other loss. This is studied as a normal part of a lattice of time to access the information, sensitivity, useability, and cryptologic skills of those who will use the information and so on. The coder may be denied resources to do individual record locking, whole disk encipherment and redundancy. The reasons why this is so circularize our discussion back to the topic of the Thread.

In general, the (...snip...) concede that ".... but technology continually makes it to difficult and time consuming to only compromise one machine." Addionally it is openly spoken by workers who are willing to speak of the matter that socialization is the only avenue of compromise. I would rather not use specific nomenclature here, the web is aptly named.

Thus, as recognized in established computer security, the greatest risk comes from within. When we start working at that level, dislike by association takes unanticipated dynamics. In other words, spreading negative emotions, may result in a problem. The classic study on the matter has been the subject of a commercial-grade character study in Catch Me If You Can. I used to run with one of their agents. I discovered that I should not conduct agency for such operatives. Very adroit, I relied on an exquisite skill that I have to do some rather mesospheric work and can report that:
  •   1) The network of humans can be modelled as a collection of Nations with single-user single-task goals.
  •   2) The cost of security to a Nation cannot be modeled by evaluating the cost of a successful attack to its value.
  •   3) The cost of security can be meta modeled by discovering behaviourial dynamics which exist cross-culturally.

  • The only common denominator I have found so far is when people try to protect their reputation, that fear becomes tool in the placement of in house resources that can be used in 1,001 ways to extract information from trusted sources. Conversely, I have found that working to avoid that fear leads to temptation. Many workers in computer security have been lost to the urge to test novel and insightful approaches that would be better left to roaches. There, even in that seeming wordplay, we have one of the basic and fundamental hurdles the novice crypto introductee must labor through before their work is of value: The protectorate must not reaveal any slightest nuance. Subtle shifts of intent by choice of words may reveal finess, that availability of shifts exponentially baloons the work of the machine in detecting patterns in enciphered plaintext. See any standard intro to crypto so see how multiple words avaliable for a paticular concept make simple freaking by machine a study in futility.

    Real cryptologic protections of information involves multiple brackets, many of which are well beyond normalized thinking. What I did was take your work and try to make a framework in which we could explore how go out of the field of problem and look at it from outside... actually involves experiential basis that constitute a <DL><DT>forest<DD>A graph which contains no circuits. The connected components of a forest are trees.</DL>
    These individual trees, which may contain all manner of fauna, constitue thought realms which are disjoint and make project success a ballet of brutality in a field of dreams. See the work by arulk pillai on the matter, his work is a substantive work by an author with obvious field experience on central issues here.
    [ April 24, 2008: Message edited by: Nicholas Jordan ]
    Nicholas Jordan
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    Originally posted by Serg Poluchaevskiy:
    thinking is sometimetimes look like neuro nets; genetic alghorithms can help sometimes to find the solution but it takes much time sometiomes and not appropriate to all problems...


    Okay, this is where I wanted to go. Artificial Intelligence holds utility for neuro-nets, implementing that utility has ranged from futile - nations spending billions on diplomacy - to being applied to washing machines and image stabilization. Genetic ( modeling herding for example ) has made good basis for some significant tools by advanced workers. What I see as the insight we may be able to achieve is disembarking antecedent precepts such as trying to force the machine to emulate human thought.

    Sci-fi is rich with android descriptions. Generally unrecognized in android science is that placement of human thought in a machine is a perversion. 2001: A Space Odyssey gives a classic framework for this but that is not where I see our work to be. Consumers turn away from gadgets which are labled as having artificial intelligence. What consumers report is that gadgets and small equipment( with ai ) 'works better': produces the desired result more effectively as a consequence of achieving the desired utility with less effort.

    Let us take as our development platform a distributed campus. Dismissing for the moment the exact details of a paticular campus, we could achieve generalization by modeling the behaviour of a distributed network. Artificial intelligence could be investigated as a behavioural analysis engine. Using Conway's Game of life as an effective cluster detector as opposed to signatures ( PKI ) may provide us with an effective modeling of penetration by the topic of the thread as opposed to signature based products. Obtaining signature definition is an immediately obvious corralled critter approach, but is fast becoming a matter of diplomacy rather than effectiveness.

    In running a large organization, you don't run it - it runs you. Unlike the Hexagon at Redmond, we do not have the baggage of backward compatibility. ( ! ) Meaningless Drivel can take some liberties looking for operating systems that might break the legacy of soft skills as an impediment to management of the threat theatre. Some nomenclature is not appropriate to all audiences. Embedding hardcode by cryptologics is an appealing short-term model. But if the penetration by end user's mind succeeds, it is game over for the defenders.

    An orthogonal transfer CCD (OTCCD) method may actually shift the risk detection within the 'playfair' pardigm itself while the penetration is being conducted. Based on analysis of the apparent motion of bright stars we can achieve more maneuverability and flexibility. Existing approaches for the security of the system give greater flexibility to the idiots on the hill, who may have signature authority for the campus but ai could allow celestial navigation by bright stars. Reliance on the PKI has a proper place in the lattice of stablilizaton tools but can be defeated by polarizing mindgames.

    Is exercise an adjunct to penetration detection in neuro nets? ( question and basis for reply ) That would be the obvious positioning you have taken. I am suggesting that this is a factor, but ai could be used to conduct penetration detection in the collection of humans connected.
    Mark Spritzler
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    Nicolas, I think you just found a friend in Serg.

    I am amazed at how well Serg is completely understanding everything that you have been saying, because I am completey confused on both of your posts on the topic. I should say on the first post, taking it literally. I think what you guys are doing is going in theoretical/scientific discussion on the phenomena of "dislike by association"

    Anyway, while the kid was "scamming" people to by his "CD", just think about the kid and what his life might be like and what would cause a kid to have to do that to make money. It might be the best solution to make the most money, but he isn't making lots and lots of money, but probably a little bit. Think of it in such that maybe you did some good to a kid. Think of it like charity, that even if the cd is awful, you did good in the world.

    If you want, you can send the CD to me.

    Mark


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    Nicholas Jordan
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    Originally posted by Mark Spritzler:
    Nicolas, I think you just found a friend in Serg.
    Mark


    Yeah, I think I'm gonna try him out on understanding Unicode or contributing the Unihan consortium or something. Gotta test the waters first.

    I am amazed at how well Serg is completely understanding everything that you have been saying, because I am completey confused on both of your posts on the topic. I should say on the first post, taking it literally. I think what you guys are doing is going in theoretical/scientific discussion on the phenomena of "dislike by association"


    Correct.

    Anyway, while the kid was "scamming" people to by his "CD", just think about the kid and what his life might be like and what would cause a kid to have to do that to make money. It might be the best solution to make the most money, but he isn't making lots and lots of money, but probably a little bit. Think of it in such that maybe you did some good to a kid. Think of it like charity, that even if the cd is awful, you did good in the world.


    I leared a lesson from comic books as a kid. There would be this advert for selling christmas cards. I worked hard mowing lawns and doing trash-out and ordered $35.00 worth of inventory. I used the experiences gained fourty years later dealing with an MBA - you have to be up to it, maybe I can bring Serg along to being ready to work with MBA's .... whadda ya think?


    If you want, you can send the CD to me.


    Huh?
    [ April 25, 2008: Message edited by: Nicholas Jordan ]
     
    It is sorta covered in the JavaRanch Style Guide.
     
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